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Saturday, February 27, 2010: 1:30 pm
More from Liberty
|I know it can be confusing at times but when you read the New Testament for meaning, Not by verses which were added by more recent man but in full context you will see that all responsibility is personal. Individual. All relationships with Christ and others are personal. Individual. This isn't by command but by human design and thats by Christ.|
According to the Word no man can get to Heaven because he's with a group. There are no group tickets sold for that event but they do offer individual tickets for free if you choose to follow. If it's not in ones personal heart it has no value to God in Heaven. That go's for all things, even good deeds and giving. MT 6: Whats done before man is reward by man whats done only before God ( secret ) is rewarded in heaven. Because the value is in the heart felt purpose not the act. Anyone ever talk about what good things they have done? You may get your praise and recognition by man but according to the Word....you will have received it in full (on earth).
Yes there are references to groups of Christian churches to how to operate and such and Yes Christ referenced their failures and calls some out in Revelations but as of group who's members were individually infected with sin.
Now, it can't be another way. It's all personal responsibility. All relationship with Christ are personal. No church, or preacher or priest or GOVERNMENT makes any difference. That is how the human mans brain, social physics were all created. Because each have been given a different heart each has a Personal Responsibly. Trying to squeeze heart felt emotions out of ink printed name on paper of a group ( GOVERNMENT) is as stupid as trying to start a fire with water. Just like Bobby Knight said folks if you don't master the fundamentals you'll never understand how to play the game and you will constantly loose.
Now that the fundamentals are understood let play ball. People who break the law of the land the Word tells us to "live by " have a certain PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to the society that prescribes the penalty. If you are fined for speeding and then you say " I've seen the light and will never speed again" The judge will say " Good, then you won't have to pay the 100 buck your paying now again". Jesus used warnings of prison/jail for those who commits crimes against another but he never condemned the jail or prison.
He also told us in the word to not forget those in the prison but he didn't ever condemn the jails or prison because He's the one who designed the fallibilities of man so we can have things to overcome and be able to make the PERSONAL CHOICE to repent of those fallibilities and follow ( CHOOSE Jesus. Other wise it would be by default and that wouldn't be from the PERSONAL heart.
When you show compassion to those in prison by visiting and accepting them a real humans in conversations and relationships it can mean a lot to them. There are vast numbers of people in a prison ministry that are doing that every day just like Christ says. Through these relationships prisoners are shown that God has not forgotten them. They are of the same value to Him as anyone and His offer is still on the table. And, if they repent and accept Christ as their Savior the the price paid on the Cross covers their ticket cost just as it does anybody else's. Oh what a beautiful day that will be.
Now Jesus has a witness in a prison were he can be of great value to the Lord. Like Jonah he may not want to go that route but if God needs him who are we to try to take him away from there.
Since Jesus tries to teach us in His Word that the value of life is found in Heaven and the His Reward is in Heaven, not on earth. What we are doing here is not a reward but hard work, tough choices and Personal Responsibility as we prepare other for His kingdom. Kinda like .. we already have the ticket paid for and we are waiting for the train. So while we're waiting we are showing others how to get in on the free ticket thing and inviting them to take the trip with us. Some are standing on the train platform in Indy, Some on platforms in Haiti orphanage, some on platforms in Iraq and yes some are waiting on the platform at the Indiana State Prison. I rejoice for them too for they have overcome and received the reward of eternal life. They also have a richer harvest field more plentiful than any. If we try to take that away from Him... ..That reminds me of what He said to Peter when he did something very similar......." But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but on man’s " Mat 16 23. (Read Matthew in full for context.)
Humm.... I wonder if our founders understood that God given Personal Responsibility thing is the only way it would work when forming this nation on His principles ?
I would have given more Scripture verses (added to the Bible by man) but I would rather people read the books and letters in context because that's where truth understanding will be found.
Saturday, February 27, 2010: 2:51 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|Great post Liberty. I just have one question. Twice you referenced scriptures that were "added by man." I'm not sure which ones you are talking about. All scripture was written by man, under the power of the Holy Spirit. In the 3rd century, man decided which of the many New Testament documents belonged in the Bible. The basic criteria was that that the authors were apostles or close followers of Jesus and the work of the Apostles in the 1st century. Later documents were rejected. Tell me your thinking there.|
Saturday, February 27, 2010: 4:34 pm
More from Liberty
|Sorry for the confusion Nobody. I wrote " verses" meaning numerical decided content.|
In the fifteenth century some guy on a horse traveling add numerical markings to phrases, sentences and split Gods word into section and gave them numerical markings. We call these today Chapters and verses. The God inspired writer didn't put them there. The God inspired writer wrote the books, letters, poems and songs to be read as “ Books” “Letters” “Poems” and “Songs” and for the meaningful understanding of their story. God wants us to use that understanding of His Story's and Communications to understand His will, not only to live by but also to use in accomplishing the commissions he's laid out in them.
I'm not saying this was anything demonic or done for any other reason than than to make it easy to go back and find. ( reference certain sentences or phrases of thought.) But, this has resulted in people reading the God's word out of context the majority of the time. i.e. If you take one phrase ( verse )out of a book ( context) you have removed it from it's context. No sentence (verse) explains the story. The simple fact of removing sentences and phrases form their contextual locations and compiling them into a sermons or positions has created thousands of different church,secs and cults with the numbers growing daily. This is a constant every day event within every church. They are constantly splitting. A soon as a denomination gets started it starts splitting. How many different Baptist churches are there or Episcopalian or Christian, or Church of Christ. I have sat and watched someone take Gods Words and apply it to the strangest non-biblical worldly position and people will go and lookup all the verses he read and say ..Yep thats the verse he used and then go along with what ever he was trying to get them to do.
We have seen every form of sin proclaimed by God justified and accepted by someone quoting some certain verse or phrase in the Bible. Or with a sentence here and a sentence their create a whole new personal religion with thousands who follow because ...Yep thats the sentence he read and yep there's the other one, he must be inspired. Just ask anyone in Brooklyn, Indiana about that.
We also see another result of this when you hear all those who say “ that's your interpretation “ or “everyone has their own interpretation” or “ thats one interpretation “ and by doing so completely discredits God's true words authority in the act, especially those who are searching.
It seems God writes through John in His book of revelations that anyone who adds to His book will have plagues added to them? I guess some have though that would mean added written sections of words but, I pose this. Written sections of words that don't sync with the rest of the book would be easily spotted and assumed not part of the inspired original work thus making it a non-fruitful attempt by satan to deceive us . BUT, now I think we can see the most damaging thing that can be added aren't words, but the numbers that “have been added” that has separated and fragmented it's meaning and by doing so His people.
If we reads and studies a book in the Bible as we should and as often as a Christian should we will have no problem flipping to the spot we want to show someone quickly and easily. I read once of how teachers of the law new the words but didn't understand their meaning. I suggest go for the context because that the only place you will find the understanding their meaning.
Satan isn't referred to as the great deceiver for nothing.
You can fined the Bible without these additions if you look hard enough.
Sorry Nobody for the long explanation.
Saturday, February 27, 2010: 6:23 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|No, that wqas great Liberty and O understand.|
We are in a series at my church on the "basics". In addition to the sermon that week, all the Bible study classes are studying the same topic. The first segment was on "The authority od scripture."
The basic principals were:
1. All scripture is God-breathed.....
2. Scripture does not contradict other scripture
As you say, it is not uncommon for people to use scripture to refute others, to make "points," and to deflect overatures about their salvation. Yes, you have to be careful not to take a scripture and mis-apply it. But you also need to know what the Bible says so that it can be the source of truth in all things.
Grest podt Liberty.
Saturday, February 27, 2010: 6:35 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|Soory for the typos..too much of a hurry|
Saturday, February 27, 2010: 6:44 pm
More from Liberty
|Thanks Nobody, My I add I'm not immune to the uses of fragmented Scriptures to make a worldly point. I have to watch myself. If the Scriptures weren't split up that way I wouldn't be able to.|
I have more proofed post on MorganCountyTaxpayer.org where I blog.
Sunday, February 28, 2010: 7:02 am
More from Ratcatcher
|Dee - people seek God in prison because they have the time and don't have the distractions. In free society we choose to drown out God calling to us. We choose to make time for other things instead of Him or His word. We have constant noise of tv's, radio, and Mp3 players going because we don't want to hear what He is telling us. We read every magazine ever printed and surf the internet for hours because we don't want to know what His commandments are telling us to do; we want to do our own thing. Some of us are too busy chasing material possessions like brand new cars and big houses we think we have to have in order to be happy so we work a second job on weekends to pay for it all. That doesn't make it feasible to attend Sunday morning services. How many people say they are going to read the Bible someday? when they have the time? In prison the distractions are gone and the someday has arrived. I help with a prison ministry through my church and it has done wonderful things for the people that make that choice to seek God. The problem with freedom is that it comes with distractions. When released from prison the ex-inmate has to once again choose between the distractions of the world (tv, computer, etc) and making time for God.|
Nobody, I loved your response to her also and as always, I learned something from Liberty too.
Sunday, February 28, 2010: 8:59 am
More from nobodyimportant
|Ratscatcher...your response to Dee was also well put. Thank you for what you are doing in ministering to inmates. They will be blessed and I know that you are as well.|
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