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Monday, March 22, 2010: 10:59 am
More from Danny Stewart
|Historic in a bad way. This is not good. the door has now been kicked open for the transformation into a socialist democracy in America.|
Monday, March 22, 2010: 11:54 am
More from Ratcatcher
|I think the state attorneys general will have something to say about the new bill.|
Monday, March 22, 2010: 3:15 pm
More from Wilbur
|I woke up Sunday Morning in the United States of America|
I went to bed in the United Socialist State of Americas
I'll bet Khrushchev has quit spinning and put his shoe back on
Monday, March 22, 2010: 3:22 pm
More from Bob
|By smooth words and fair speeches Obama has fooled many people.|
We are headed downward faster than ever before. It started when they began to want to take God out of everything. The nation that forgets God, God will destroy.
This is not the country I grew up in and it never will be again. America can`t even win a war anymore. Not because they are not capable but because of the way they are limited in what they can do. America ask for Obama and this is what they get. This is only the start.
Monday, March 22, 2010: 4:13 pm
More from Liberty
|You who voted for socialism you've got it. Now do you think you can walk down the street without getting spit on ? Welcome to the A.S.S|
Now the war begins. And for those who thought it wouldn't even happen or everybody opinions are valid.............................
Monday, March 22, 2010: 8:45 pm
More from Reality Check
|Folks, calm down. The fact that you woke up this morning and were able to login here and write something should reassure you that you're going to be okay. If you feel so compelled to dispell this, by all means, give up your Social Security and Medicaid, voluntarily, get the movement started right here! Let me ask a quick question. What did the Republican Party offer in return for this bill? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. If Pence, or Burton or Buyer could get off the golf course or quit spending money from their foundations to pay themselves and their kids in their own campaigns, they might have actually come up with something to offer the American people. How about immediate tax credits for those who actually work and pay for insurance? How about some kind of tax incentive for living healthier? Something? Anything? They have had 60 years to come up with something and they didn't do squat but stand back and watch this happen. They said the same thing about Civil Rights bill, the same thing about SS and Medicare, etc. Here are three positive provisions of the bill: 1.)Insurance cannot drop people or not add people with pre-existing conditions 2.) Parents can keep children on plan until 26 3.) All prenatal care and physicals are covered in all plans - that was just at a quick glance. All the chatter about abortion is politics and fearmongering. If Republicans cared at all they would have a legitimate alternate plan. They didn't, they still don't and they don't intend to do anything but spread lies, fear and hate (courtesy of the tea party in D.C.) John Boehner (Mr. Tan man) said Clinton's economic plan would falter too in 1993 -1994. What a joke. Best economy in US history. If this doesn't work and the MAJORITY of Americans do not want it, then by all means vote the other team in.******** Remember all the fireworks over Medicare RX? Passed by Republicans? Try taking that away from Grandma now? Better yet, try taking SS away? Try taking any of the BIG GOV. programs away!!!!!! Good luck!|
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 3:28 am
More from Liberty
|Reality Check. You are a disgrace to this community and nation. You have no place in this society and especially around our children. That gos to all who voted for obama and campaigned for the over throw of this nation. Those who voted and pushed for this are TRADRERS of this Nation and to top it off are now responsible for the killing of another million innocent babies per year. Your only hope is to repent and Pray the Lord believes you. You souls are not mine to judge but your face I spit on.|
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 8:26 am
More from David
Wow...you're really out there, aren't you?
Call me a tradrer (whatever that is) all you want. You, and people like you, are the real traitors to this country. My only hope is that once people in this country actually start experiencing the benefits of this bill they too will see past all the scare tactics and hate people like you are spewing.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 10:37 am
More from Liberty
out there ? NO.
I'm Right On. You have picked your place in history.
You have also picked your place in this community.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 10:51 am
More from nobodyimportant
|Reality Check, I don't know where you are in your faith, but if you are not a Christian, I hope you don't judge Christians by what you hear out of Liberty's mouth. It has been a puzzle to me for some time. There is hate that comes across from his or her posts when the issue is government, schools, liberals, and most specifically, our President. As Christians, we are not to hate. For if you have hate in your heart, you have already committed murder.|
The good that I get from his/her posts is confirmation of a view that I have held for the last 15 months. Virtually the day after the presidential election was over, I started to notice a really unusual pattern developing. Over my many years, it seemed to me that a new president was given a "honeymoon" by the public. It was, "lets see what this one will do." But in this case, the attacks came almost immediately. It was as if some people woke up in disbelief that "this man" was the new man in the oval office.
The sharp rhetoric has intensified, as he has started to do what he campaigned to do. The "not so loyal" opposition has picked up on this and run with it. They threw everything they had toward an effort to make him a ineffective leader by killing his first major legislative initiative, health care reform. I suppose their thinking was, if we can defeat this one, we can ensure him to be a one term president and we can defeat any of his subsequent initiatives. What is most curious is that they chose to use scare tactics to rally the opposition. In doing that, they stretched the truth beyond recognition. Even today, the most skeptical citizen can clearly see the "death panel" nonsense was a most egregious and calculated falsehood. Many similar parts of the legislated were deliberately mis-represented. Now, the latest, reacting out of anger that the abortion issue has been settled, claims like Liberty's ("the killing of another million innocent babies per year") are being circulated.
I cannot see into the hearts of other people. I have learned to take at face value what people say and write. The law of the land right now is that federal funds will not be used for abortions (the Hyde amendment). The President has satisfied a group of legislators who were firm in their anti-abortion beliefs. Almost immediately, the Republicans countered with, "you can't trust this president...he can (suggesting he would) issue another order allowing the abortions." Can you imagine what would be the result of such an act? It is unimaginable, unless of course you buy the whole picture being painted by those who apparently hate our president, that his agenda is to destroy the republic and establish Muslim socialism.
There is much with which to be concerned in the health care reform legislation. I know there will be problems. This thing is massive and there seems to be some genuine concern over the costs and revenues. Again, I choose to give sway to the CBO. Our legislators of both parties rely upon their analyses. Like the weather forecasters, they sometimes miss the mark. I pray that their analysis of this one is accurate and even understated.
I have supported this issue because of what should be evident to anyone looking objectively and not through ideologue eyes, that our health care system finally reached the brink of disaster. I am confident that none of us would have liked the next 10-20 years or so had this situation gone on un-checked. Will this legislation be a positive change? I can only hope and pray it will. The alternative was unacceptable.
What gives me some further comfort is what I heard out of most Republicans in the last few months of the debate, and that is the acknowledgment of many of the problems. They finally had to admit the issue was worth addressing, after totally ignoring it for so many years. They could no longer ignore the facts.
But having said that, they could not support the measure and wanted to subject millions more to increasing medical calamities while they "started over." But make no mistake, they would settle for nothing short of their short list of reforms. For if they did, they would have just delayed a political victory for the Democrats. The Democrats knew this and saw it for what it was, just another attempt to kill the whole movement.
Now, at this point, you would think that the Republicans would lick their wounds and let it play out to see who was right. Will that happen? I think not. Back to my initial point, health care is not the issue. Who is president is. Look for no let up in strategies to discredit, malign, even continue to scare. Rush Limbaugh is probably on the verge of apoplexy.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 11:00 am
More from Liberty
|On March 23, 1775, Patrick Henry delivered the speech made famous by its closing words – "give me liberty, or give me death!"|
It is most ironic that today, as obama sign the US take over bill that sells our freedoms in exchange for slavery, is the anniversary of his speech.
It was also for the same reason he gave his famous speech that we fight our enemy within.
Surrendering the freedoms of Americans to the heavy taxation and slavery of the citizen.
Give me Liberty or give me death.
|John Q Public|
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 11:47 am
More from John Q Public
|Liberty, while most of your posts receive are very thought provoking and inciteful this one is kind of puzzling me. The healthcare bill is more than abortion. Now just to state my stance I am against abortion. I also am against spewing my view points in a hateful manor such as you did above. (it is your right though) |
I do not think that this bill is a good thing because it was pretty much one party sided. I agree with you Reality Check that the conservative side spent too much time fighting it and not enough time trying to push a few of their ideas into the plan. Anyone who is going to claim on here that they know whether or not this is going to be a good or bad thing is quite full of it. Just bide your time and see how it plays out. We as a country voted to put the Democrats in charge of the entire government, whether we like it or not. That is the true meaning of a rupublic, the voters for this bill represented the "change" that this country wanted.
To quote the former coach of IU basketball: When asked by Connie Chung why he pulled all of his starters on the losing end of a lopsided game, Bob Knight replied: "If rape is inevitable, a woman should just lay back and enjoy it." If you think that this bill is the downfall of America, you should have rallied your partymen and fellow citizens and called your congressman.
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