nobodyimportant said:
Reality Check, I don't know where you are in your faith, but if you are not a Christian, I hope you don't judge Christians by what you hear out of Liberty's mouth. It has been a puzzle to me for some time. There is hate that comes across from his or her posts when the issue is government, schools, liberals, and most specifically, our President. As Christians, we are not to hate. For if you have hate in your heart, you have already committed murder.The good that I get from his/her posts is confirmation of a view that I have held for the last 15 months. Virtually the day after the presidential election was over, I started to notice a really unusual pattern developing. Over my many years, it seemed to me that a new president was given a "honeymoon" by the public. It was, "lets see what this one will do." But in this case, the attacks came almost immediately. It was as if some people woke up in disbelief that "this man" was the new man in the oval office. The sharp rhetoric has intensified, as he has started to do what he campaigned to do. The "not so loyal" opposition has picked up on this and run with it. They threw everything they had toward an effort to make him a ineffective leader by killing his first major legislative initiative, health care reform. I suppose their thinking was, if we can defeat this one, we can ensure him to be a one term president and we can defeat any of his subsequent initiatives. What is most curious is that they chose to use scare tactics to rally the opposition. In doing that, they stretched the truth beyond recognition. Even today, the most skeptical citizen can clearly see the "death panel" nonsense was a most egregious and calculated falsehood. Many similar parts of the legislated were deliberately mis-represented. Now, the latest, reacting out of anger that the abortion issue has been settled, claims like Liberty's ("the killing of another million innocent babies per year") are being circulated.I cannot see into the hearts of other people. I have learned to take at face value what people say and write. The law of the land right now is that federal funds will not be used for abortions (the Hyde amendment). The President has satisfied a group of legislators who were firm in their anti-abortion beliefs. Almost immediately, the Republicans countered with, "you can't trust this president...he can (suggesting he would) issue another order allowing the abortions." Can you imagine what would be the result of such an act? It is unimaginable, unless of course you buy the whole picture being painted by those who apparently hate our president, that his agenda is to destroy the republic and establish Muslim socialism.There is much with which to be concerned in the health care reform legislation. I know there will be problems. This thing is massive and there seems to be some genuine concern over the costs and revenues. Again, I choose to give sway to the CBO. Our legislators of both parties rely upon their analyses. Like the weather forecasters, they sometimes miss the mark. I pray that their analysis of this one is accurate and even understated.I have supported this issue because of what should be evident to anyone looking objectively and not through ideologue eyes, that our health care system finally reached the brink of disaster. I am confident that none of us would have liked the next 10-20 years or so had this situation gone on un-checked. Will this legislation be a positive change? I can only hope and pray it will. The alternative was unacceptable.What gives me some further comfort is what I heard out of most Republicans in the last few months of the debate, and that is the acknowledgment of many of the problems. They finally had to admit the issue was worth addressing, after totally ignoring it for so many years. They could no longer ignore the facts.But having said that, they could not support the measure and wanted to subject millions more to increasing medical calamities while they "started over." But make no mistake, they would settle for nothing short of their short list of reforms. For if they did, they would have just delayed a political victory for the Democrats. The Democrats knew this and saw it for what it was, just another attempt to kill the whole movement.Now, at this point, you would think that the Republicans would lick their wounds and let it play out to see who was right. Will that happen? I think not. Back to my initial point, health care is not the issue. Who is president is. Look for no let up in strategies to discredit, malign, even continue to scare. Rush Limbaugh is probably on the verge of apoplexy.

Liberty said:
out there ? NO. I'm Right On. You have picked your place in history. You have also picked your place in this community.

John Q Public said:
Liberty, while most of your posts receive are very thought provoking and inciteful this one is kind of puzzling me. The healthcare bill is more than abortion. Now just to state my stance I am against abortion. I also am against spewing my view points in a hateful manor such as you did above. (it is your right though)

I do not think that this bill is a good thing because it was pretty much one party sided. I agree with you Reality Check that the conservative side spent too much time fighting it and not enough time trying to push a few of their ideas into the plan. Anyone who is going to claim on here that they know whether or not this is going to be a good or bad thing is quite full of it. Just bide your time and see how it plays out. We as a country voted to put the Democrats in charge of the entire government, whether we like it or not. That is the true meaning of a rupublic, the voters for this bill represented the "change" that this country wanted.

To quote the former coach of IU basketball: When asked by Connie Chung why he pulled all of his starters on the losing end of a lopsided game, Bob Knight replied: "If rape is inevitable, a woman should just lay back and enjoy it." If you think that this bill is the downfall of America, you should have rallied your partymen and fellow citizens and called your congressman.

Liberty said:
But that's has not been the case until obama came to power. All the dictators,muslims, muslim terrorist groups and socialist leaders around the world hailed him. The crowds in Germany was only second to Hitler himself I'm told.