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Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 11:50 am
More from Danny Stewart
This isn't about who is president. It's about the government turning us into a socialist nation against the will of the American people. Which has now happened. Welcome to the USSA.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 11:58 am
More from nobodyimportant
|Liberty to the colonialist was freedom from a tyrant across the sea who sent troops to enforce British rule and disarm the people. A decision had to be made, thus the declaration of liberty or death.|
There is no doubt that we are a nation much different from that envisioned by our founders. In some respects that is bad, in other good. The question is, can we go back? Not likely. Look who brought us to this point.
For example, throughout the many decades of their shared monopoly of U.S. politics, both Republican and Democrat parties have increased the size of the federal government; both have increased federal taxation; both have increased the size of the federal budget, the federal deficit, and the national debt; both have actively fostered the expansion of federal bureaucracies and police agencies to tell people what to do, how, and when, to generate innumerable arbitrary regulations and penalties, and to control private commerce and himder free enterprise; both have also been heavily engaged in the practice of “pork barrel” (tax-and-spend favoritism) politics, including corporate welfare when and where it suited their agendas (i.e., getting or keeping power).
Who will turn it around? Not those of either party.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 12:12 pm
More from David
I'm quite content with both, thank you. :)
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 2:32 pm
More from Liberty
First, in your pre-post disclaimer you felt the need to establish credibility with me just to turn around and make mis judgments of what I have said and done ? This one is kind of puzzling me. It doesn't matter what what you believe if you don't take a stand on it and refuse to accept it. To do other wise just makes them hollow empty meaningless words. You said "Now just to state my stance I am against abortion." Right after you said " The healthcare bill is more than abortion." ??? So you do if you get more of something else ? You accept abortion ? what do you take a stand on ? You also said " I also am against spewing my view points in a hateful manor such as you did above. (it is your right though)" So you give me the right ( thank you ) but you are against me exercising it ?..?...
You wrote :"If rape is inevitable, a woman should just lay back and enjoy it." So this is how you suggest people to stand for what you believe. ???
I judge a mans character not by what he believes but by what he is willing to tolerate. I praise God our founders were men of this Character.
I look for the good and evil in people and deal with those elements accordingly.
Thats what Jesus taught us to do. He was not a respecter of men. Be in your face blunt, truthful and, honest. When dealing with evil deceit He taught us to spare no feelings and address the evil and sin for what it is. Love what is good and hate that which is evil. I address those elements. That is what real truth and honesty is. God hates sin and evil but I did not express that hate here. I only expressed the blunt honest truth of the matter. If people have the element hate inside them then they may take that like I hate them. But, thats not my doing. I can't hate them because Jesus loves everyone enough to have died for them and offers all the free choice to repent and follow Him or not. Everyones soul is in there own hands. I can't make that decision for anyone else but me.
You said: "If you think that this bill is the downfall of America, you should have rallied your partymen and fellow citizens and called your congressman."
I must have had 150 hours of cspan committees hearings and another 100 in research under my belt and can tell you there was NO DEMOCRACY in this. The Republicans were completely shut out and up. I have traveled all around the Midwest to rallys and protest outside of congressman offices. I have been promoting and participating in phone campaigns for a long time. I also rallied with over 1.25 million real Americans from all walks of life outside the nations capital in DC to show the will of the people. No I won't lay back and enjoy being raped like a woman as you suggested.
I have found your post to be logical in the past and have no qualm with you. You obviously didn't know what I was doing or where I stood so now you do.
You are simply in error thinking I used hate in what I wrote. I was simply using honesty. I have no hate for anyone on here. For some who doesn't have that principle, Hate is the only way they could express what I expressed and I can see were the misunderstanding come in.
I challenge all who read this post to not just say you don't believe or you don't agree but to take a stand against what is wrong. Stand up and fight for what is right and NEVER lay back and enjoy a woman or a nation being RAPED.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 4:01 pm
More from Wilbur
|In my very humble opinion,|
Health care for every citizen in the USA would be a great achievement. No doubt about it.
The way it was achieved in this nation is the problem. We are a democracy not a socialist type government. When the government gives some of the populace anything at the cost to the rest is not democracy. The middle class is going to pay the tab on this and no one else. When the government gives people something they need and not what they want, they create dependence from the people to the government. They no longer govern, they now rule. The make sure we are now dependent on them for our health needs. Next they will work on the Insurance companies and will (no doubt about it) cast them away for being 'selfish and greedy' and then they will take over the insurance business. Now we will depend on them to dictate our rates, to those who are paying it; again, keeping us dependent on them. What will be next? Amnesty for illegal aliens. Great! Where are we going to add millions of millions to our workforce? Who's going to pay for their health care, insurance costs? Feed them? It's how they are taking our independence, our freedom for our government away from you and me. The people (the majority and that is a fact) have spoken against this health care plan. While we are telling them no, they looked at us and did it anyway. It is moving in the direction of a ruling class and not the democracy of which we are.
|John Q Public|
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 4:44 pm
More from John Q Public
I will clarify my statements for you. I acknowledged your credibility to show you that I am not like the many on this sight who simply can't stand you and then get hateful and throw around accusations. My saying that simply lets you know that I understand you are intelligent and not just a blow hard who likes to argue. I stated my stance on abortion because I felt that after I read my comment it kinda felt like I was disagreeing with you on abortion and I wanted to prevent everyone from throwing around false baby killer accusations. I am not against any of your rights, but can I not be against how you exercise them? Nowhere does it say that everyone has to like what everyone else does. I am sure there would be dozens of things about me you wouldn't like. The Bob Knight quote was just a metaphor, saying that the fight for this is pretty much over. We can argue all we want, the states can sue all the want, but in the end it is over. I am sure that you did your part in the campaigning, but did everyone who felt as passionate about the issue as you do, call or protest or petition enough? The Democrats were elected on "change." Now everyone is realizing that change wasn't really all it cracked up to be. I highly doubt that if we put this out to an individual vote it wouldn't have passed. Since we have representation then the people we liked last year, or the year before, etc. they are voting how they want to, even if it doesn't really match the opinions of the citizens they represent right now.
Basically long story short, I lean more to your side on this issue, but I just kinda felt that you were a little harsh in calling everyone baby killers and traitors. In all of this long winded hoopla that you and I have bantered about, that is pretty much it. I hope this clears the mud from my previous post.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 5:22 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|JQP. You learned a valuable lesson when you used a metephor to speak to Liberty.|
He/she seems to thrive on picking people's statements apart to discredit other things they say.
None of us know how this is going to pan out. I think it ia a win-win. Either enough time will be given to demonstrate whether or not this reform package works, or the Republicans will get their act together enough to win back the legislative power to repeal this one and (now comes the crucial part) institute their version of health care reform. If enough people can be convinced that the Republican version will in fact reduce costs and insure more people, they will have a chance to prove it. I don't see O'Bama vetoing such a bill, unless there is a credible position that it has no chance of achieving those two objectives.
The only way that this can really become a disaster is if it is repealed and that becomes the only action. Then the steam-rolling health care costs will pick up momentum and set up another revolt. And so it goes on. I think the issue is now too big for either party to back away. For that I am grateful.
However it comes out, and however the process we go through, I just hope that the notion that health care is a privelege is gone forever.
On the abortion issue, it was a red herring last-ditch effort by the Republicans to kill the bill. I will stand against using public funds for abortions.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 6:14 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|Wilbur, I appreciate the way in which you frame things. It is nice to hear an argument without the shrillness.|
You said, "Health care for every citizen in the USA would be a great achievement. No doubt about it. The way it was achieved in this nation is the problem. We are a democracy not a socialist type government."
I don't think it is possible to provide every citizen with health care and not have some paying, some paying more, and some paying little or none. "The poor will always be with us."
In this form of govenment we call a Republic, though we are not in the truest sense a democracy, there are democratic principles. We elect people to go to Washington to govern on our behalf. We don't put every issue on a referendum ballot and let the majority vote rule. If we did we would not need to elect representatives. If a legislator governs with the majority of his or her constituents being unhappy with what they are seeing, at the next election, the seat will probably turn over. That's the democratic part of it...you count the votes and send the winner off to govern.
Here's the rub on the noton of everyone getting health care coverage. I do not see a way to accomplish that without someone hanging a "socialist" label on it. I wasn't around for the social security passage, but I uns=derstand the same labels were hung on it. I was around for the Medicare passage and the same language was used. It is easy to come to the conclusion that all of these have some element of socialism, not the political idealogy, but the use of public money to "benefit the masses."
The irony is, we do it all the time, proposed by right and left alike. It is ruling for all the people when only a portion pay. It is as old as our Republic.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 7:11 pm
More from Liberty
I appreciate your clarification. I was most certainly in an apparent defensive mode in my response to you.
As you have read I'm not one who believe their is anything in the middle of the road but road kill.
10's of million from not only here but from all around the world came her and marched on Washington. I met people from Australia, Argentina, Brazil, UK all here because our freedom means more to more people outside our country than it does to those in our country. One said that the only hope of them having our kind of freedom is gone if we lose ours.
I don't think American know what the world really thinks of us. Are freedom is a treat to their socialist leaders ability to control them.
Because of that the perceived political opinion is the world hates us. When I hear these counties leaders opposition to what we do I know, at that moment we are doing the right thing. That if we weren't they would accept us as one of there own.
But that's has not been the case until obama came to power. All the dictators,muslims, muslim terrorist groups and socialist leaders around the world hailed him. The crowds in Germany was only second to Hitler himself I'm told.
That should scare every man woman and child when we seen that.
What we aren't told is that the people of the world love us. They long to be like us and have our freedom. To see them travel across the world to show their support cause this man to weep. It was a very emotional day. You see they knew. They have government run health care. They live in socialism. To answer the un-asked question of why they came it was because they knew that if passed here we would lose all the freedoms they admire and hope for. Once gone here they would never have a chance. One also noted they wouldn't have a place of last resort to come in a life treating situation. You see America has no equal on earth. The world comes here as it pinnacle. This country was formed as the anti-world so to speak and is still considered that around the world.
CHANGE was an completely define-less emotional tag word to spark emotions. If you have ever studied Hitlers climb to power you will see his unlikely election victory over his incumbent was by he oratorical use of emotional tag words without definition. I seen a documentary a while back and the commentary said in his description of that come from behind election " people seemed to follow him in blindness because of his use of words without definition " ( or at least thats close)
Change, people didn't vote for this kind of change. Most voted to take us out of war. That's what change was to them. Some just wanted him to completely take care of them free, and he allowed that to be change to them. But for responsible Americans ? The seen the threat. This isn't politics and no there are no rules to go by now that the constitution isn't used as authority.
In civics class as a child I learned of our founders and why we are who we are. And what they felt ok to do in a similar situation.
Thanks for you clarification of your Bob Knight metaphor. I will pose an opposite. I think George Washington ( The Father of His Country) because he fought the same kind of enemy who wanted to enslave us by taxation. I find his fight for our freedom most applicable here. When his army had lost most of their battles, defeated and demoralized, blow to pieces and scattered by some deserting and by all accounts defeated he almost gave up. But he didn't and with what was left of this beat up frost bitten army they crossed the Delaware river and it all changed.
He could have accepted his defeat many times and once he was close doing so but Here we are and if every patriotic American will continue to take the stand we will be able to stop this one way or another. Remember the states who this will bankrupt can hold a constitutional convention and pass an amendment to prevent the federal government to force this kind of control over a Free America.
I enjoy reading your post and will continue to do so John.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 10:48 pm
More from Liberty
|Maybe if we make it more simple to understand.|
Let me get this straight......we just passed a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese and financed by a country that's broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 11:01 pm
More from Reality Check
|Liberty - real classy post. I hope you have had your rabies shots if you're going around checking urine in pools and threatening to spit on people. Reporter, please put a leash on this poser. There's no place for this in our community.|
Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 7:28 am
More from David
My guess is they were all hailing him because we finally elected an intelligent person who wasnt as likely to start WW3 and destroy all civilization. Just a thought.
On a related note, I too have talked with many "strangers" outside of the US as well as several friends living in Europe. Interestingly enough, they all expressed the same opinion when learning of the health care bill : "It's about time."
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