House passes historic healthcare bill
read more recent story comments Reader comments| Wilbur Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 3:26 pm More from Wilbur  | Nobodyimportant, You're more than likely right and it would make sense Social Security being labeled as such back then, I too am to young, I wasn't around then. Medicare, probably the same issue I'm sure. My view on those two and the New Health care is this: Social Security (although it's a bust) is a program ( in theory) I pay into so when I reach a certain age I can draw out against what I have paid into it. So I should personally reap what I've sowed. Medicare is basically the same deal. This new health plan is not like either one of these. I must either take their insurance or if I choose not to, I must pay a 'fine' ($200 dollars or 2% of my income, which ever is greater) for those that can't pay at all. In reality my government is making me pay for something I may never use, and they are making me pay for something for someone else to use if I don't. They are now making a class of people that will depend on the government to survive. I don't see the equity or fairness or democracy in any of that. And yes sadly we will have poor people with us until eternity, we needn't though. As a Nation we should be ashamed; all the money we give to countries that despise us and everything we stand for could easily pay for the health and welfare for those that can't take care of themselves. Not talking about the lazy, illegal aliens or the ones who take advantage of the system. I know you aren't either. |
| Wilbur Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 3:44 pm More from Wilbur | I must pay a 'fine' ($200 dollars or 2% of my income, which ever is greater) It should be $2000 dollars |
| Liberty Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 4:08 pm More from Liberty | Hey Wilber, Just send me the other 1800 and I'll make good use of it. Thanks, Buddy |
| Liberty Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 4:11 pm More from Liberty | never mind Wilber I read your other post. Sorry |
| nobodyimportant Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 5:04 pm More from nobodyimportant | Wilbur, you are right about the difference between SS, Medicare, and this health reform legislation. I don't recall if either of the former was sold on the basis of each person paying their own way. For many, the pay-in was a much higher percent of their income than others, as there were and still are limits on the income "taxed" for these purposes. But also consider that the government does that on many, many issues. In addition to the issue of the small return of the money sent to Washington, there has never been a correlation to pay-in and pay-out, with respect to individuals. It wasn't designed to give the individual taxpayer a "fair share" of benefits, proportionate to taxes paid. On so many levels, we pay in for someone elses's benefit. There is the issue of welfare dole at both individual and corporate levels. |
| Danny Stewart Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 6:21 pm More from Danny Stewart | As for SS, that's the way it was sold back then according to my parents who were around then. You reap what you pay into the system. Of course it doesn't actually work that way with all the transfer of money from it to fund other projects. That's why it's busted. As for this so called health care legislation, no matter how you feel about it, it would appear to be unconstitutional. Especially the mandate to buy health care. |
| A Hoosier Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 10:56 pm More from A Hoosier | If this is such a wonderful piece of legislation, why, oh why, has the congress turned down the opportunity to get in on the action? Today, an amendment was offered, for the second time, to make congress give up their healthcare and take the same health insurance offered to the public. For the second time, congress opted out. The vote on the Senate floor was 43 to 56, 41 republicans and 2 democrats against 56 democrats. Weird. This is from a blog I read today: I'm still looking at the 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives, and congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States." (Sounds good to me.) |
| nobodyimportant Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 11:33 pm More from nobodyimportant | Hoosier, I think somewhere in the legislation is the language that people can keep the insurance they have. Doesn't that speak to this issue? |
| Liberty Thursday, March 25, 2010: 12:17 am More from Liberty |
You thought wrong. |
| A Hoosier Thursday, March 25, 2010: 12:17 am More from A Hoosier | NI, do you REALLY believe that people are going to keep their health insurance? Really? I don’t. Here’s why. As you and I discussed earlier, health insurance companies are not going to be able to afford to comply with the mandates placed on them. They are going to have to increase premiums significantly. (Remember, we are only adding 15 million to private insurance, the rest are being added to Medicaid. Hello, state tax increases.) As you told me before, insurance companies are going to go belly up with these mandates and I agree. 15 million added to the pot is not going to cover the 200 million with no life time limits on benefits and free preventative medicine, you couldn’t have been more correct. So, in the next few years, when everyone has that significant premium increase that they can’t afford and/or insurance companies go belly up, what’s going to happen? National healthcare. Tada! Mission accomplished. I imagine there won’t be Medicaid and Medicare anymore either. We will all have the same policy except Congress, then again maybe they will, but they will get first dibs on care. Health insurance companies that do not have preventative medicine in their policies will need to increase their premiums. Health insurance companies who have limits on benefits will have to increase their premiums. Health insurance companies who have policies on pre-existing conditions will have to raise their premiums. So on and so on. One policy for all is in our future. Where are we going to go when the waiting list are too long for surgery or for treatment? Canada? I don’t think so; they have the same junk we are going to have. If the policies are good enough for the American people then they should be good enough for Congress, waiting lines and all. |
| Wilbur Thursday, March 25, 2010: 7:01 am More from Wilbur |
Liberty, That's some serious beer and cigar money..... ;) The monkeys and we really DO mean it
I see you chose to opt out on the 1800........LOL |
| Reality Check Thursday, March 25, 2010: 8:09 am More from Reality Check | How come we never hear about all the deaths in Canada from their horrible insurance? Or Spain? or France? Or Finland? Or Sweeden? Kind of interesting??? |
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