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Sunday, March 28, 2010: 11:06 pm
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Thanks for the info, I will try to attend. I'd love to be there!
I hope I can answer your question about Israel, and keep it simple because I’m not very smart. Israel has a long and wonderful history as you well know. Modern Israel came about after WWII. The USA and it's allies divided up the region so Israel would have a safe State in which to live after the Holocaust. If you ever get a chance there is plenty of material on this and it's very interesting. The surrounding Countries of course, resented the land taken for Israel and they have hated and fought with them since. That is a very simple answer to your question. The history of the region since WWII is nothing but anti-Semite, as it is today. In my heart of hearts there is one thing I know to be true and one thing I believe to be true with everything I have. What I know is the Jews are Gods chosen people. What I feel is if we forsake them, we will be forsaken, and rightfully so.
I'm glad you're reading the Bible, does my heart good and will yours too. I have read the Bible through and enjoyed it very much. There is a version written in today’s English. If you haven't gotten one, I advise you to purchase one or if you'd like I will give you mine.
I have studied the Bible and in no way am I a Scholar, but if I may take the liberty to give to a few of my points of view.
The Old Testament is the history of our beginning and the laws that God has given his people to follow.
The new Testament is Gods love and forgiveness through his Son, to us, the sinners. He loves us so much, he knows we can't live without sinning. We are forgiven. But that doesn't mean we can run amuck, we must still strive to live a good and pure life for him and ourselves. It is also the start of Christianity, and Pauals letters about the Church.
I will advise you this, read the Bible, take it word for word. People love to talk about Armageddon, and make movies about 2012. God said even the Angels don't know of the end of time. Hey...I believe HIM. God doesn't want us trying to guess what is going on, he loves us, he wants us to know everything we need to know. When God says love your neighbor, love them. when God says forgive, forgive. When God says knock the dust of evil off your feet, get to stomping. now it can be figuratively, but do it. Don't let people interpret what God is saying, you can read exactly what he is saying.
Enjoy reading the greatest novel, history book, and mystery ever written. You know what’s neat; you know the Author........personally!!
Sunday, March 28, 2010: 11:10 pm
More from Wilbur
|I should us spell check more....|
Paul is the correct spelling
Monday, March 29, 2010: 1:53 am
More from Liberty
|Hoosier, I believe that Wilber, Danny and NI post about the Bible and the region are all very eloquently stated. I will say that my previous post was intended to dispel the credibility the Muslims hold claim to for legitimacy in the matter of Ishmael as simply an attempt to make a cult designed to rally soldiers for his quest to concur the world, relevant. |
For someone who had no writings or Lineage that would have given a bases in fact to anything other than the Jewish religion and the Jewish Torah. The military man Mohammad used the Torah to establish claim against the Jews. Remember he wrote the man made up religion thousands of years after Abraham. Hundreds of years after the catholic Church formation in Rome and like us had the Jewish and the Christian canons that circulated ( though Hand written ) to use in making up his. Since the time he
Prophet Muhammad knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honor of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.
Koran 37:40-48 ...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 55:57-58 Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 56:7-40 ...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "
Koran 55:70-77 "In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before.. In the Hadiths, Prophet Muhammed goes one step further - Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.
Quote from Hadiths
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34 Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."
Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
Like all things of satan, this is the opposite Gods Word and Will.
Also by the 600 AD plus the Christian Church had been in existence for ~ 600 years. The early Church writers had some on the spot analysis of the cult leader mohammad.
From "The Fount of Knowledge" references some early Christian from the time of mohammad
"From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk,  devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration."
"There are many other extraordinary and quite ridiculous things in this book which he boasts was sent down to him from God. But when we ask: ‘And who is there to testify that God gave him the book? And which of the prophets foretold that such a prophet would rise up?’—they are at a loss. And we remark that Moses received the Law on Mount Sinai, with God appearing in the sight of all the people in cloud, and fire, and darkness, and storm. And we say that all the Prophets from Moses on down foretold the coming of Christ and how Christ God (and incarnate Son of God) was to come and to be crucified and die and rise again, and how He was to be the judge of the living and dead. Then, when we say: ‘How is it that this prophet of yours did not come in the same way, with others bearing witness to him? And how is it that God did not in your presence present this man with the book to which you refer, even as He gave the Law to Moses, with the people looking on and the mountain smoking, so that you, too, might have certainty?’—they answer that God does as He pleases. ‘This,’ we say, ‘We know, but we are asking how the book came down to your prophet.’ Then they reply that the book came down to him while he was asleep."
Theophanes The Confessor wrote:
At the beginning of his advent the misguided Jews thought he was the Messiah [...] But when they saw him eating camel meat, they realized that he was not the one they thought him to be, [...] those wretched men taught him illicit things directed against us, Christians, and remained with him.
Whenever he came to Palestine he consorted with Jews and Christians and sought from them certain scriptural matters. He was also afflicted with epilepsy. When his wife became aware of this, she was greatly distressed, inasmuch as she, a noblewoman, had married a man such as he, who was not only poor, but also an epileptic. He tried deceitfully to placate her by saying, ‘I keep seeing a vision of a certain angel called Gabriel, and being unable to bear his sight, I faint and fall down.’
:::: what he thought was visions could have been his epileptic seizures. :::::
As one can quickly see this mere man of war hijacked the Arab pagans using his twisted pieces of the Jewish and Christian canons and used them to try and concur the whole region. He was like a Nepolian that started a false religion to concur the world.
Goddard sums up Nicetas view:
"In short, Muhammad was an ignorant charlatan who succeeded by imposture in seducing the ignorant barbarian Arabs into accepting a gross, blaspheming, idolatrous, demoniac religion, which is full of futile errors, intellectual enormities, doctrinal errors and moral aberrations."
Hoosier you have good reason to worry about obamas being raised muslim. For a head of government to visit the White House and not pose for photographers is rare. For a key ally to be left to his own devices while the President withdraws to have dinner in private was, until this week, unheard of. Yet that is how Binyamin Netanyahu was treated by President Obama on Tuesday night, according to Israeli reports on a trip viewed in Jerusalem as a humiliation.
This kind of ruthless hatred treatment has never in our history has come from a real American president. We should all shutter at this totalitarian anti Semitic action and have justifiable reason to fear that what happened in the 1930's Germany can happen not only hear but first to the Jewish people of Israel.
For those who don't watch the late night committee hearings on CSPAN the obama FCC is introducing a plan that will take over the Internet and digital communications giving them the power to decide that all things broadcast has to be in their opinion " in the public interest "
Since all communication is going digital AM, FM, Satellite we may soon lose our ability to unite or get real news. This is the back door sneaky way to censor opposition and the truth.
The stated plan is to saturate the system with so much legislation and regulatory changes that the confused and overloaded public won't know who hit them. Stay vigilante.
All Christians must focus on what Glorifies the Father. Our reward can't be found on earth but only in Heaven. Now more than ever we need to accelerate the discipling of those we love and meet. We must expect the oncoming persecution for our faith. When it happens we must stand strong and not waver. He will give us what we need to see it through.
Monday, March 29, 2010: 10:22 am
More from Liberty
|Over the weekend the FBI started raiding peoples homes in Indiana, Ohio and Michigan confiscating the legal weapons just because they belong to long time established patriotic militia group.|
I remember Janet Reno. The will Demonize the Target and Rescue as Saviour's. That's the process folks. Who's next ?
Monday, March 29, 2010: 10:30 am
More from A Hoosier
|Thank you all very, very much. I knew that I could count on you. I am extremely fearful of the treatment of the Prime Minister of Israel. I, too, had read of his visit and was flabbergasted. It saddens me that we (American citizens) tolerate this kind of behavior from our President. |
I have much to learn from you gentlemen and I hope someday soon to meet each and every one of you. (If you attend the meet and greet tomorrow at the Mooresville library, please stop me. My name is Sherrie.)
God bless all of you.
Monday, March 29, 2010: 11:02 am
More from Liberty
|Remember two words " Hate Speech " |
These will be the two words they will us to completely unravel the first amendment.
Freedom of speech and the press will no longer be guaranteed.
Under the constitution hate speech is protected. Protected because it's undefinable and applicable to any speech.
Monday, March 29, 2010: 11:14 am
More from nobodyimportant
|Hoosier. Liberty's post about Islam was instructive. There a lot of "religions". Man has always felt an inner tug to worship. Even without knowing any of them, we sense that this world is not all just a big accident, a freak of nature. |
For too many years, I treated my religion casually. I attended church (when it didn't conflict with something really important). I avoided getting too close to others in church. I held onto areas of my life that I felt needed my control. In other words, I wasn't a Christian....I just carried the label.
Almost 6 years ago, a very astute man, my current minister, laid a challenge before me that put my faith (I really can't say I had any at the time) to the test. I reluctantly picked up the challenge (the truth is, I could not come up with one of my convenient excuses). I thank God for placing that opportunity before me. I became engaged in a ministry that changed my life and my eternal destination.
That's right....I called myself a Christian, but I was bound for Hell. I was doing the "religious" things. I attended church. I sang in the choir. I put what I thought was a reasonable offering in the plate. That was the sum total of my faith. The ministry in which I was challenged to participate in was the vehicle God used to get my heart.
Something Liberty said rings true at this point. "All Christians must focus on what Glorifies the Father." We were created to serve and please Him. That sounds a bit like God is self-centered. But he knows that, left to our own devices, we will serve ourselves. We came into this world with a sin nature and sinning is what comes naturally, putting ourselves before anyone else, including Him.
We can become distracted from what we should be doing by all sorts of things. Not only can we become pre-occupied with serving ourselves, we can get caught up in lesser important things like who is running the country. I'm not ready to throw President O'Bama under the bus for where and by whom he was raised. Thank God, none of us were.
To give you a peek into the events yet to occur, when God's army (no tanks, guns, or missiles, just His word, defeats the enemies of Israel. 'I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle ...' (Zech 14.2) Focus on the words "all nations." Does that include the United States? You bet it does!! That's right, even we will turn on Israel. The bodies of our young soldiers will lie rotting on the fields of Har-Magedon (Armageddon).
So what do we do with that? What we don't do is worry that this president or any other to come, if there are any to come, will offend their emmisaries and leaders.
You see, all that takes away from our purpose. We should be preparing for Jesus' return. We do that by deepening our relationship with Him and bringing others to Him.
God's plan is unfolding. Nothing we can do will alter that, slow it down, or hasten it's conclusion.
Monday, March 29, 2010: 11:58 am
More from A Hoosier
|NI, I take your words very seriously. "We should be preparing for Jesus' return. We do that by deepening our relationship with Him and bringing others to Him." |
I am on a mission.
Monday, March 29, 2010: 12:27 pm
More from Danny Stewart
|Nobody, I have a question. And I admit up front it's a little off the beaten path, but it still relates to Hoosiers question.|
Have you ever heard of the prophecy of the Eagle, the Lion and the Bear? I was told of this 30 years ago when I was a mere 13. It would also appear to have relevance since it's already happened at least once during WW2.
Monday, March 29, 2010: 1:36 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|Danny, those animals have been used as symbols in several prophecies, notably in the Old Testament book of Daniel, and in Revelations. There have been many people who have attempted to assign these figurative animals to nations, and even rulers (bear = Russia, etc). Which interpretation is right? I don't know. Things seem to be lining up to at least set the stage for Jesus' return to gather his church and set up his reign on Earth.|
There is a learned presentation of end times prophecy that I heartedly recommend. Dr. David Jeremiah (used to pastor a church in Fort Wayne and now is in San Diego, has a book and cd series out called "What in The World Is Going On?"
If you can get hold of theither, it is a good study of what has already transpired and what is to come (by his reading of the Word)
It is all a great mystery. I believe it it remains a ministry because only God knows the day and hour that Jesus is to return for his church (the rapture) and then his second coming. The fact that we don't know and will never be comfortable that we know the exact time and order of the events is part of God's plan for us. He wants us to trust Him and just be ready whenever and however it unfolds.
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