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Carding to buy alcohol: It’s the new law

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A Hoosier
Tuesday, March 23, 2010: 5:51 pm
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Hate it. I can not stand being carded at the ripe age of 48 and I look 70. I look at clerks and doormen like they are off their rockers when they ask for my id. Hate it. Besides, do they know how much junk is in my purse, this could take an hour.
David
Wednesday, March 24, 2010: 7:36 am
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Seems stupid to me. If there is any doubt of age, then card the person; if not, then dont. We dont need clerks holding up lines because they have to card those who are obviously old enough.
Pinky
Monday, March 29, 2010: 11:49 pm
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Lower the drinking age to 18 and make life easier.
nobodyimportant
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 7:47 am
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Pinky, not sure if you are serious or just stirring things up. Making life easier? On or for who?
A Hoosier
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 8:39 am
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I agree with Pinky again. If you are old enough to die for your country, you should be able to have a beer. If you are old enough to decide who is president of the country, you should be old enough to have a beer.
Pinky
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 12:29 pm
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Easier for me. Who else? No really, 18 is the age of majority for everything except alcohol. Why? It doesn't make sense. You can get married, have kids, go to war, etc., but you can't have a glass of wine at a family dinner. There's a reason kids go crazy with alcohol in college. We've made it taboo. Well, not me, but whatever. So whatever is taboo is extremely attactive. Lower the drinking age and watch college binge drinking drop, along with drunk driving incidents, alcohol poisoning, etc.

You got it right Hoosier. Now if we could only get the laws changed.
nobodyimportant
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 1:44 pm
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Sorry, Pinky, I could not disagree more. I find no research that suggests that by removing taboos and restrictions, people will be more resaponsible in their drinking. To the contrary, there are considerable research findings on the relationship of consumption to availability and price. The notion that younger populations will slowly work into consumption of alcohol at an earlier age and therefore become less likely to binge at college is shaky thinking (no pun intended).

A 2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that persons reporting first use of alcohol before age 15 were more than 5 times as likely to report past year alcohol dependence or abuse than persons who first used alcohol at age 21 or older. This is consistent with previous studies that clearly indicate that the best prevention we can practice is to buy time. The longer we can prevent first use, the better the long-term results, not just for the drinkers, but for the rest of us.
A Hoosier
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 4:10 pm
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NI, so what you are saying is we can trust an 18 year old with an Uzi but not a beer? Not getting it. If that is the case, than increase the enlistment age to 21 and the voting age. Let's not forget the gun permit age in this state is......18.

Peace.
Liberty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 4:29 pm
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What does using a mind altering and body and life destroying drug have to do with volunteering to fight for our country and learning to use a weapon for self defense ?

Just asking because these arguments promote the use of drugs to the young people of this community that reads this comment section and we surely don't want to be the drug pushing adults hanging out in the school play ground.
John Q Public
Tuesday, March 30, 2010: 11:36 pm
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Pinky that point(servicemember but not able to drink)is made quite often whenever this topic comes up. I think that it is a horrible comparison. Liberty is right, they have nothing to do with each other what so ever. You can actually join the military younger than 18, so maybe we should just make it that if you are in the military you can smoke and drink also. Then we can alter other laws that you can get away with if you are a service member. Military members are pretty well compensated comparably and need no other special privileges. Besides if you want to serve your country no one is going to force you to do it, there hasn't been a draft in years.
A Hoosier
Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 12:33 am
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John Q Public, Pinky did not make that reference. I did. It will be hard for me to have a respectful debate with someone who quotes Bobby Knight. (I found your quote offensive, disgusting, and perverse.)

Now back to your comment. If you expect me to think that 18-year-old men/women walk into a recruiter’s office and just sign on the dotted line, you are seriously mistaken. Sign on bonuses, promises of better lives, VA mortgages, see the world (from the butt of a gun), free healthcare so on and so on. These men/women are talked into their service; you know it and so do I. I will always, always think that if you are old enough to take a bullet (or be maimed for life) for your country you are old enough to drink a beer and smoke. I think it is a logical comparison. Common sense-you may say.

You are trying to convince me that an 18-year-old or younger (as you say) person has the maturity to decide if he or she wants to fight in a war (take a bullet) but is not mature enough to drink a beer. Not happening.

All the 18, 19, and 20-year-old people in America should ban together, register to vote, and vote for the person who is going to let them make a mature decision about drinking at 18.

My compromise, increase the enlistment/voting age to 21.
John Q Public
Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 6:58 am
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Hoosier, if you feel that you can't have a respectful debate, I thank you for your honesty and will not reply.
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