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read more recent story comments Reader comments| A Hoosier Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 1:47 am More from A Hoosier  | Liberty, I understand your concern for the local students who have been assigned to read these posts. Do you really think that these young people are not exposed to drugs each and every day? I am pretty sure that they are; television, movies, music, peers, and other media sources. You act as if these kids live in a bubble. They don’t, they are probably exposed to more immorality than we could possibly imagine. You speak about drugs and alcohol as if all users are junkies. That is simply not true. In the study, published in the medical journal BMJ, researchers reviewed information on 10,748 drivers who were involved in fatal car crashes and took required tests for drugs and alcohol. These stats do not add up. 2.5 percent plus the 29 percent equals 31.5 percent of all these counted fatalities were caused by impaired drivers. Leaving 68.5 percent who just couldn’t drive worth a lick. Yet, it also says that 2x as many drivers tested positive compared with a group of other drivers. What other drivers? Could it be the little old ladies who get out of the house once a week? Drivers who tested + were 3x more likely to be responsible for fatal crashes. How is 2.5 percent 3x 68.5 percent? I’m not seeing that here. If we are going to have an honest conversation about drugs and the effects, let’s not talk about extremes. I can honestly say that there have been a few murders in this community in which the murderer was on “crack”. Does that mean that all “crack heads” will commit murder? No, it doesn’t. Do all alcoholics drive drunk? No, they don’t. Do impaired drivers cause most fatalities? Obviously not. What I do know is that people are dying violently everyday due to illegal drugs. If you take away the illegal part of drugs you take away the violence and the deaths. No need to fight over something you can buy over the counter. Are they more people dying from violence associated with illegal drugs than are dying from the drugs themselves? Watch the news and figure that one out, murder is on our television 3 times a day. It is called the local news. I think that people deserve more credit than they are being given here. People can and will make sound decisions for themselves without having stats crammed down their throats. Not all people are irresponsible and the ones that are should not be the driving factor for the ones who are not. P.S. I am in no way shape or form distorting my reality as you may claim. That is simply a juvenile thing to say and has no place in an intelligent debate about drugs and legalization. Peace. |
| Liberty Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 2:28 am More from Liberty | Hey Hoosier, You have to read at the bottom of that referenced post the TTL Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol. 2005....42,636 people killed As for deaths ? On the average about 42,000 people die each year from car accidents. In the study below 2.5 are attributed to the use of marijuana. Now that would be Hum... 1050 per year. or 20 per week.. or 2.88 each day -------------- 2.5 of traffic fatalities are attributed to the use of marijuana. There were over 42,000 traffic fatalities in 2005 Thats 1050 per year attributed to the use of marijuana. Hoosier I have no personal beef with you but I do think it is extremly irisponsible to stand up in front of teenagers and promote doing any drug. If you have children I guess you can do it to them as long as CPS doesn't find out but to assume everybody else wants their child to be convinced that doing drugs is OK would be completely in error. I hope we can still be friends but we seem to be in a disagreement about this. I find myself having to take a strong adversarial role against your position in an effort to lesson the damage to the youth like ( MyThoughts ). Who signed up for the first time at 7:45 am this morning all fired up reading some adults supporting her getting to do drugs. I think this kind of debate has a better forum to be held at than here. I wish we could have attracted her on here with politics instead. I want to still be your friend. |
| A Hoosier Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 3:00 am More from A Hoosier | Lib, this is never ever personal. Unless name calling results. I wish we could have open adult debates but life won't allow that. CPS is not a factor for me. My kids are adults. Any influence I could have created has already been committed. Peace. |
| A Hoosier Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 3:03 am More from A Hoosier | Lib, BTW-does this make me a liberal conservative or a conservative liberal? |
| MyThoughts Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 10:11 am More from MyThoughts | Again, I have to point out, I am not referring to all drugs. I agree, not ALL drugs should be legalized. I am only speaking about Marijuana. For one, it is natural, and the obvious, it DOES have documented medicinal purposes. Now, I want to address the euphoric results. Which euphoria has a more blinding effect, Alcohol or Marijuana? Let's take alcohol first; from the moment you stop drinking, your euphoria will continue to increase for the next 4+ hours and your blood alcohol content level will continue to rise. Marijuana on the other hand, does not continue to increase. The minute you stop smoking, what little euphoria you do have, does not increase. In fact, even if you COULD smoke yourself unconscious, your body begins to recover immediately. We all know that is not the case with alcohol. I don't even really believe marijuana produces a euphoric experience, at least in the way I believe you all to be referring to. I think you all are saying that it creates hallucinations. Euphoria, by definition, is "a feeling of happiness or confidence". Yes, marijuana does produce that affect, so does Prozac. But it also serves as chronic pain management for things such as arthritis, upset stomach, migranes and cramps (for women). I'm not trying to convince anyone that I am right, in fact, I don't need you to agree with me to know that I am right (haha). I am just stating facts and not propaganda from the government. With the state of our economy; why not, at least, consider legalizing, regulating and taxing marijuana? I believe California (emerald triangle), Colorado and several other states are already doing it. Not only will it help the economy from realized revenue from taxes, but releasing all marijuana non-violent related offenders, the taxpayers would not be paying for their imprisonment, less overcrowding and the child molestors, murderers and rapists can stay in prison longer. I am not saying it will completely fix our economy, but at this point, can't we use all the help we can get? I also have ideas for Welfare reform too! |
| Liberty Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 10:25 am More from Liberty |
I think this make you a Hoosier. If want any other label you have to select one for yourself. :) |
| nobodyimportant Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 11:41 am More from nobodyimportant | My Thoughts. Your arguments are well-presented. This debate has been going on for decades and there appears to be no clear win-win for either side. It is true that alcohol is many times more dangerous than marijuana. God created man with no built-in detoxification for ethyl alcohol. The liver tries, but is over-matched. It eventually gives up. If we were making decisions alone on the relative toxicity, of all drugs, alcohol should be the one we make totally illegal. Alcohol is even more dangerous than heroin. Unlike alcohol, we have some natural body chemicals related to opiates and the body is better able to handle that drug. Following the danger to self thinking, alcohol should be illegal and heroin legal. Getting crazy now. We could argue the merits of legalization on several different levels. On the economic front, it can be reasonably argued that the government could use the revenues. Taken to the extreme, everything man wants but "is not good good him" could be taxed. Wow! Think of te money we could give to Uncle Sam!! On the criminal justice level, of course the more things made legal, the fewer laws that are broken, thus the fewer people to jail. We do create some laws, however, to mitigate against freedoms becoming intrusive on the freedoms of others. Here's a thought. We know that if any drug that is now illegal is made legal, the rate of consumption of that drug goes up and whatever the consequnces of that happening fall to.......yougot it, us! Consider this. We have just come through a rather controversial debate on whether or not to have a national health care system. None of the drugs being discussed are free of health complications from long-term, episodic binge, or regular use. All of us who pay taxes will share in the cost of those that choose to alter their body chemically. Now finall, the argument can be made on moral grounds. I know before going into it that many view government's intrusion into moral issues as inappropriate. I don't necessarily subscribe to that in total. I do believe that our government should not make it easier for us to sin. Yes, sin. When Christ went to the cross, was buried, and then rose from the dead, it was God's plan to provide for us a way back to him from our sin. Christians who have accepted Christ as their personal savior now have the indwelling Holy Sprirt right in our body. Our body is now the "Temple". What I do to and with my body now has eternal significance. Take marijuana as the example. We know that even the natural weed, unadulterated, has several effects on us. If it did not, we would be discussing this issue. It does alter mood and thinking. I can't imagine God wanting us to divert our attention from Him to feel good", chemically relax, mellow out, distort perception, negatively affect memory and learning, or impair problem-solving. Marijauna does all these things. Physically, there is ample scientific evidence of brain, lung, and heart impact. In short, what physical and mental good can come from having marijuana more available? I can't see the argument. Because the Marijuana plant is a "God-made plant" doesn't give it a free pass in my book. There are thousands of plants that could be lumped into that category. It is true that if you decide to use jimson weed or eat certain mushrooms you run the risk of the effects, but you very well may also place others at risk int he process, and we are responsible to and for each others, not just ourselves. It is a fallacy that our jails and prisons are crowded with drug users. Law enforcement is not rounding up users by the truckload. By the time a user comes into contact with the criminal justice system it is most usually for selling, manufacturing, or an offense like burglary, theft, etc., stemming from the drug use. Its a complicated thing. Nothing yet has convinced me we need to reduce the scope of drugs labels illegal. What I do know is that people who accept Christ and are obedient to his ways, find less and less of a need to get high on drugs. |
| MyThoughts Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 12:42 pm More from MyThoughts | Nobodyimportant... Very well put. And I agree with most of what you said. It is ALMOST a 50/50 argument. I also admit, my opinion is of selfish reasons. But the logic still exists, that the tax revenue is much needed. Take marijuana as the example. We know that even the natural weed, unadulterated, has several effects on us. If it did not, we would be discussing this issue. It does alter mood and thinking. I can't imagine God wanting us to divert our attention from Him to feel good", chemically relax, mellow out, distort perception, negatively affect memory and learning, or impair problem-solving. Marijauna does all these things. You are correct, it does alter the mood and thinking. So does God want all the Christians to stop taking Prozac too? Or stop drinking for that matter? The entire debate about your body being a temple, is somewhat hypocritical (couldn't think of a better way to say it...don't be offended). If the Christian body were a temple, then Christians would not consume alcohol or medications. Don't forget the argument can be made that Marijuana has it's own medicinal purposes and is 100% all natural. I would have to believe that God would rather I consume something 100% natural before he would want me to take a pill or drink some cough syrup. The last thing I would argue is religion, as I admit, I have no business debating that topic. The only thing I point out, is if Marijuana were legalized (which we established, there COULD POSSIBLY be some good to it), then, if the Christians don't like it, don't consume it. But they can't sit there and tell the rest of us that God frowns on us for doing it, while they sip on their Mai Tai or Beer or while smoking their chemically enhanced cigarettes/cigars. Maybe I am missing something, which is quite possible, but I firmly believe the Pros far outweigh the Cons for legalization. Look what legalizing alcohol did to the speakeasies of the 30's, as well as the mobsters. They gave up on running alcohol and moved their business to organizing unions. Again, I am all for the appropriate regulation, should it be legalized. I'm sure they could create a device to detect toxicity leves for OWI/DWI (intoxicated on Marijuana), must be 21 to purchase, only consumable in the privacy of your own home or regulated smoke shops. Basically, apply the same laws as alcohol. Time will tell! I'm putting my money on "it will be legal" or at least decriminalized in the near future, as it has been in California and 14 other states. Our Government is too greedy to keep it illegal. |
| Liberty Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 1:28 pm More from Liberty | CLICK HERE FOR A PROPER FORUM ON POT. HERE STRAIGHT FROM THOSE WHO NOW Only in a fantasy life is there such a thing as 50/50 concerning good and bad. |
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| MyThoughts Wednesday, March 31, 2010: 6:29 pm More from MyThoughts | Liberty...Still drinking the Kool-Aid I see. You must be hitting the bottle hard tonight. Those people on thos forums are people like you, who just like to pass on the Government propaganda. I happen to know first hand the effects, and I know countless other casual consumers who lead a perfectly normal life and are not nearly as uptight as you are about it. Clearly there is no logical debate with you! All you are concerned about is the same BS propaganda that the DEA lives by. OF COURSE, the DEA wants you to believe it is bad for you and is the gateway to more harmful drugs. Their job depends on it! Expecting them to tell you the truth would be like YOUR therapist telling you that you are healed and perfectly normal. Of course they are going to tell you that you need to keep coming back. Just like the DEA is going to continue to convince the weak sheep that Marijuana is harmful and will make you do evil things. What a joke. The glass of wine you will drink with your dinner tonight is more harmful than smoking marijuana. Your brain is just not strong enough to think outside the box and form a unique conclusion, you have to rely on others to tell you what you should believe. Me, on the other hand, I question everything, just for the sake of argument. I like to draw my own conclusions. And, the fact of the matter is, there are less side affects from marijuana than there are alcohol. Bottom line, if you don't like it, I suggest you not consume it. Stick with your liver killing drink. And for all of you kids doing your school projects and out here reading these posts, as he suggested, don't listen to either of us! When you are a responsible adult, draw your own conclusion. But I urge you, at the very least, stay away from alcohol. ABSOLUTELY, no good will come from drinking. I'm not telling you to go consume illegal drugs, but definitely suggesting to stay off the bottle. Last thing, for this post anyway; know how to tell if a politician or government agent is lieing? Their lips are moving! None of them are obligated to tell you the truth. |
| SpectrumMommy Sunday, April 4, 2010: 12:14 pm More from SpectrumMommy | Why does the topic have people bringing religion into it? The debate has nothing to do with religion it's about law and politics! Not everyone is Christian or even religious. I respect other people's beliefs and I expect my beliefs or lack thereof to be respected as well. That said, I have to say I mostly agree with My Thoughts. I'm sure that'll make some of you jump to the conclusion that I must be a Godless druggie which is far from the truth. However it being America you may believe what you choose. As can I. Personally I believe alcohol to be more destructive to the person and society as a whole than marijuana. I would much rather be on the road with someone under the influence of marijuana than alcohol. I'd much rather (if anything at all) that my child when an adult chose marijuana and not alcohol. I believe ecstacy, meth, crack, cocaine, LSD and any other synthetic drugs I may be forgetting are horrible and should not be used by anyone. These drugs kill people and ruin lives. So does alcohol. So do prescription drugs that are abused by the people they are prescribed to help. Can anyone show me proof of a marijuana overdose? No because it isn't possible. Should it be used when driving, operating heavy machinery, while at your place of employment or while children are in your care? Absolutely not. Neither should alcohol or prescription drugs that alter your ability to function. You know the saying guns don't kill people people do? Well marijuana hasn't killed anyone, but people making poor or evil choices do. |
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