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NicJo80
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 3:27 pm
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I should print this out and post it to the doors of the Kool-Aid drinkers who actually tried to convince me a couple of weeks ago that Martinsville schools are better than Mooresville and Hendricks Co. schools for my kid. Let's not even get into test scores...
Liberty
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 6:30 pm
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A logical conclusion to this most important issue.

Martinsville High School 76.3 percent graduation rates ?

Alcoholic ( druggie ) leaders.

So now your children are influenced to do more drugs.

Your 11 year old little girl is being taught how to have sex by a strange adult.

You send them. ( you endorse it. )

You tell them to listen and learn from the teachers and the school. ( you blindly endorse what their teachers do and think -- Drink, Cuss, Smoke Dope, endorse baby killing )

You hold their teachers and administrators in such high honor and respect as someone worthy to be honored and mimicked then, yell at and punish your children when they get caught doing drugs, cussing, and having sex.

They are only trying to be what you are forcing me to pay someone to training them to be.

And get this, they are going to blame you for doing it someday. They will realize you loved your new car more than them.

Get Them Out of the GEC's NOW. !

Just make the commitment right now. Say today at this moment " I will no longer do that to my Children because I really do love them as much as I say I do."

Wait...STOP WITH THE EXCUSES. If you try hard enough you can come up with an excuse not to do anything, even live. So Stop. This is for your children. You should sacrifice all for them. Right ?

Call Tabernacle or Suburban or Mooresville Christian schools for info on fall enrollment. Now not tomorrow. Just do it. NOW.

Look at Homeschooling. Find others who are actually doing it and talk with them.

Never seek advise or listen to anyone about homeschooling that isn't involved with it themselves.


Now step outside and yell at the top of your lungs.

SO LONG GEC's, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CONTROL OF MY CHILD.

Now step back inside , go look in the mirror real close up.

Form this day forward you'll look much better to your self and others, not to mention how you will feel. Just think what you child will think of you.

You've done good today. :)


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Redrum
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 7:57 pm
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NicJo80 and Liberty, do you two have any clue as to what has greatly contributed to how the folks in Mooresville improved their graduation rate from 74.5% in '06-'07 all the way to 95.3% in '08-'09? An increase of more than 20 percentage points in just two years? Here you go, it's a dirty little secret. You see, what they have done is take advantage of a loophole in the states method for reporting the graduation rate. What they do is instead of registering a student who quits school as a dropout, they record that student has having left school to be homeschooled. Now if this were true then all the more power to that student, but it's not the case. When this happens that student is counted as a transfer, not a dropout. The end result is what looks like an awesome graduation rate that folks feel they can brag about and use to talk down those that follow the rules. Neat trick, huh?
Liberty
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 8:21 pm
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Redrum,

You know where I'm coming from and it's not supporting Mooresville over Martinsville. Thanks for shedding lite on the corruption at Mooresville. I didn't know that kind of fuzzy math was going on. What's really bad is there are people look at that stat when considering a possible move. I see where the NEA is lobbing the White House to do away with NCLB and replace the current way they rate the success of a school. Instead of test scores they want to use the graduation rates instead. Looks like Mooresville may be starting to practice for the change ?

Who's responsible for doing what you said is going on. ? Is that the superintendent ? Just curious.

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Redrum
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 8:33 pm
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Liberty, the whole graduation rate reporting has been a mixed bag for years. It wasn't but a few years ago when some schools would report their graduation rates based upon the number who entered as 9th graders versus how many crossed the stage in the 12th grade while others based their rates on the number of students from the beginning to the end of the 12th grade. Not fair at all. Those who presented a realistic graduation rate were vilified in the media and the court of public opinion. Given that there is currently no way to verify whether or not a student is a legitimate homeschooler, this loophole is being used to pump up grad rates by some of the schools around the state.
Redrum
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 8:42 pm
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here you go Liberty, check out this

http://mustang.doe.state.in.us/TRENDS/project.cfm?corp=5930

Notice that in '05-'06 there were 374 9th graders reported at Mooresville High School. If you read diagonally up to the right you'll see that this same group had 367 10th graders, 378 11th graders, and 338 12th graders. So, how can a graduation cohort that began in'05-'06 with 374 students buy ended up with a total of 338 in their graduation year of '08-'09 report a graduation rate of 95.3%? It seems a tad bit too high!
Redrum
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 8:46 pm
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Liberty, for Martinsville, here's the link

http://mustang.doe.state.in.us/TRENDS/project.cfm?corp=5925

If you follow the same diagonal from '05-'06 you'll see why the grad rates as reported by the media may be misleading and difficult to interpret/compare.
Reality Check
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 9:22 pm
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Liberty said:
A logical conclusion to this most important issue.Martinsville High School 76.3 percent graduation rates ?Alcoholic ( druggie ) leaders.So now your children are influenced to do more drugs.Your 11 year old little girl is being taught how to have sex by a strange adult. You send them. ( you endorse it. )You tell them to listen and learn from the teachers and the school. ( you blindly endorse what their teachers do and think -- Drink, Cuss, Smoke Dope, endorse baby killing )You hold their teachers and administrators in such high honor and respect as someone worthy to be honored and mimicked then, yell at and punish your children when they get caught doing drugs, cussing, and having sex.They are only trying to be what you are forcing me to pay someone to training them to be.And get this, they are going to blame you for doing it someday. They will realize you loved your new car more than them.Get Them Out of the GEC's NOW. !Just make the commitment right now. Say today at this moment " I will no longer do that to my Children because I really do love them as much as I say I do."Wait...STOP WITH THE EXCUSES. If you try hard enough you can come up with an excuse not to do anything, even live. So Stop. This is for your children. You should sacrifice all for them. Right ?Call Tabernacle or Suburban or Mooresville Christian schools for info on fall enrollment. Now not tomorrow. Just do it. NOW.Look at Homeschooling. Find others who are actually doing it and talk with them.Never seek advise or listen to anyone about homeschooling that isn't involved with it themselves.Now step outside and yell at the top of your lungs.SO LONG GEC's, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CONTROL OF MY CHILD.Now step back inside , go look in the mirror real close up.Form this day forward you'll look much better to your self and others, not to mention how you will feel. Just think what you child will think of you.You've done good today. :).



Wait, Liberty you forgot a couple of important pieces of data to your rant: 15 State titles in Superbowl, Decathalon and Superbowl. Our two middle schools just won two state championships in middle school social studies and math/science. We graduate about 80%+ (minus special education students and 4+ year students who throw the score off) of a community where less than 38% of it's clientale go to college. A community where almost 50% is on free and reduced lunch meal plans. A community that has has several West Point Scholarships in the past three years, Ivy League kids, community leaders who have gone on to billion dollar corporations - - - professional athletes and world class basketball coaches and role models like Johnny Wooden. Before you embarrass yourself again on here and talk about things you know nothing about, be careful. We have had and still have great people working here and providing a world class public education for those students and parents who want it. These wild unchecked, unprovoked, untruthful maniacal rants should be questioned by this paper. Those who sit around and play hide behind the computer and throw bombs should be careful. Karma is a beach...
Liberty
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 10:27 pm
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Redrum said:
Liberty, for Martinsville, here's the link

http://mustang.doe.state.in.us/TRENDS/project.cfm?corp=5925

If you follow the same diagonal from '05-'06 you'll see why the grad rates as reported by the media may be misleading and difficult to interpret/compare.


Thanks Redrum,

I guess even though I have concluded my position and principles on the government education system I just stopped short of such deceitful corruption of the local school employees. This must be know even by the teachers and any student that can study the same numbers. I guess I need to add " teaching the children how to cheat" to the list of reasons to take ones child out of that system. Thanks again Redrum for the inside on this. You can expect to get slammed by some who promote it.

When the Obama administration starts rating schools by their graduation rate instead of test scores my guess is they all will have a 100% graduation rate over night.

Thanks again.
Liberty
Wednesday, May 5, 2010: 10:31 pm
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Reality Check,

Just think how many more would have become accomplished if not for a system that teaches to the lowest common denominator. We could only imagine.
I understand your loyalty and commitment to your job. I don't fault you for that.

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NicJo80
Thursday, May 6, 2010: 7:54 am
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Just to retort, you'll notice I said, "Mooresville AND Hendricks Co. schools." I also referred not just to graduation rates, but test scores. Martinsville scores are dismal at best. Sorry, but Hendricks Co. schools AND Mooresville are better, fuzzy math or not.

I'm also tired of the "poverty" excuse. It may be true, but that doesn't mean that sending your child to an impoverished area to learn is what's best for them. We don't send our kids to Appalachia and say, "Hey, kiddo, make the best of it... even if you could have better!"

Fortunately, my kids don't, and won't ever go to a Morgan Co. school. I was commenting as a parent that someone actually tried to convince me the other day to send my children there, rather than out-of-district. My point was more "Why on earth would I do that?"
Redrum
Thursday, May 6, 2010: 8:20 am
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NicJo80, how is it that "Martinsville scores are dismal at best?" Check out the following two links.

Martinsville link:
http://mustang.doe.state.in.us/SEARCH/snapcorp.cfm?corp=5925

Mooresville link:
http://mustang.doe.state.in.us/SEARCH/snapcorp.cfm?corp=5930

Check out those bar charts that show the passing rate for English for each district. How is a 74.9% rate for Martinsville "dismal" when compared to a Moorseville rate of 75.1%.

Now over to the right and click on the bullet to compare the passing rates for Math in each district. For Mooresville it is 77.8% while the rate for Martinsville is 79.5%.

Where do you get any information to support "dismal?" Me thinks that you just have an axe to grind.
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