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House OKs ‘right to work’ bill as unions protest

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D E Chafey
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 11:53 am
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Congratulations to those supporters of this bill. You and the Gov. have successfully taken the first step to take Indiana back to the dark ages. What's next child labor? That should bring sympathetic third world countries to our manufacturing door.
Liberty
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 12:04 pm
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That should bring sympathetic third world countries to our manufacturing door.


Maybe they'll bring their higher ranked education with them.

Peace :)
D E Chafey
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 12:22 pm
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You are right Liberty.............The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, according to ED.gov.
One blogger writes though, “How do you account for the fact that Asian (Chinese, Indian, Taiwanese, Korean, etc.) far outscore white, hispanic and black students on state-wide testing in almost every state in the United States and has been for years?
This, DESPITE the fact that most Asian students do not come from the wealthiest strata and many are new immigrants, Governments throwing more money at education obviously has nothing to do with the PISA (Program for International Student Assessment) results as the U.S. far outspends every country that outperformed it.
Here’s the secret: Asian parents watch very closely to what their children are doing every day. They do not allow their children to waste time or their hard-earned money on pursuits that are not related to getting a better education. There is also a lower divorce/ single-parent family situation among Asians which results in less chaotic environments at home. Perhaps instead of constantly blaming teachers and schools, Americans should start looking at their own lack of parenting/ relationship skills?! The wide disinterest from parents in participating in their children’s education development is what is at the root of this problem. Then, those children grow up and perpetuate this disinterest in their own children. Don’t just observe/criticize! Actively engage in educating your children!”
To this blogger I say “Amen!”
LilaMae
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 12:42 pm
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People should have a right to say if they want to be part of the union or not. If the skill set is there and the individual applying for the job meets all the requirements they should not be denied an opportunity to work if they don't want to pay union dues. In today's society guarantees for wages, insurance, pension plans etc are fast becoming a thing of the past. If you are smart you will prepare for it by being financially responsible with your money using financial planning etc. If the tools are not used, then you are the only one to blame if there is no retirement.
Scott Gregory
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 1:05 pm
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I would bet that most teachers would WANT to be in the union. Everyone acts like unions are all bad. They are not. Right to work also means right to fire- for virtually anything. At least if you are fired within a union there is some semblance of fairness where you have an actual organization behind you fighting for your rights. On your own means just that- if you think you were fired unfairly, any legal action is all on you. By the way, I have no doubt that there are dead weight teachers as there is dead weight in all walks of life. But the continued demonization of teachers as uncaring oafs who wish to only work nine months a year and suckle on the government teat is very skewed in my opinion. Also, I tend to agree with Mr. Chafey. My parents drilled education into me and my siblings and we did very well in school. I make sure my children do their homework and they are doing well. The 30% or so kids in our schools who are failing I would tend to think poor schools are the least of their problems. If my kids bring home bad grades, action is taken and swiftly. I would bet this doesn't happen in many of the kids with failing grades. I don't see how charter schools or non-union teachers would make parents care more about education. Just won't happen.
KennyD
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 4:51 pm
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Lilamae,

I am a member of a Union. This is what I have come to understand about paying Union dues. You have a right to take a withdraw from the Union. You will not receive Union representation, or any contractual guarantees the bargaining unit has with its employer.

I have spoken with many of my co-workers in other non-union positions in the company and they have often told me that during our negotiations they hope that we receive a good agreement, because they usually get what is comparable to us.

Rather you like the union or not, they are responsible for the creation and flourishing of a strong middle class. There are many middle class jobs that are non-union, but they have to pay well to keep their employees from leaving or from organizing into the union on their own. Just look at the history from when Unions started.

The Union is always willing to negotiate and understand where employers are coming from. I fail to understand when pennies are being pinched why these big executives don't offer to cut their own wages and benefits. They are the highest paid right?...with company cars, jets, phones, computers, travel expenses to a luxury hotel etc... I haven't heard Mitch or the supporters of this bill offering any of their paychecks up.

I read Mitch's statements about this bill and the Union in today's paper. It is simply nothing more then an attack on the Unions just like in Wisconsin. That is the whole purpose behind it.
Liberty
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 6:59 pm
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D E Chafey said: You are right Liberty.............The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, according to ED.gov. One blogger writes though, “How do you account for the fact that Asian (Chinese, Indian, Taiwanese, Korean, etc.) far outscore white, hispanic and black students on state-wide testing in almost every state in the United States and has been for years? This, DESPITE the fact that most Asian students do not come from the wealthiest strata and many are new immigrants, Governments throwing more money at education obviously has nothing to do with the PISA (Program for International Student Assessment) results as the U.S. far outspends every country that outperformed it. Here’s the secret: Asian parents watch very closely to what their children are doing every day. They do not allow their children to waste time or their hard-earned money on pursuits that are not related to getting a better education. There is also a lower divorce/ single-parent family situation among Asians which results in less chaotic environments at home. Perhaps instead of constantly blaming teachers and schools, Americans should start looking at their own lack of parenting/ relationship skills?! The wide disinterest from parents in participating in their children’s education development is what is at the root of this problem. Then, those children grow up and perpetuate this disinterest in their own children. Don’t just observe/criticize! Actively engage in educating your children!” To this blogger I say “Amen!”


Great Post Dal,

I see you have taken the time to look into this matter and don't read union newsletters. You have pointed out several things that I too hold as responsible for the difference in education parenting/ relationship skills. I promote first the best outcome education Homeschooling and secondly best, private schooling. we work very hared to sacrifice to sustain both in our family and promote the same to others. The key link you pointed to was Asian parents who came from education systems that have NO unions and collective bargaining contracts. That would be zero. No wasted time teaching goals of social indoctrination that the NEA installed through "outcome based " changes started in the 70's, just teaches academics that they hold the parents responsible for. When their children come here sure they test much higher. They think much different. The two main differences are obvious, they have different teachers with different shills, and NO blue collar teacher workers union to sustain failure.

 

The best way to illustrate what damage this blue collar workers union has had on our education system is a quote from this paper of a Junior GEC college student named Matt in school now being taught what education is and what a teacher should think like. Matt said this : “Nobody’s going to want to be a teacher if they feel like they’re going to be fired because of the way they’re teaching,” As long as there's a union to sustain this twisted thinking it will only continue to be perpetuated and we will continue to fail. Dale, the parents are GEC student too just as their grand parents are. If you follow the scale and track the sudden collapses you'll find the escalation of educational failure happened with the GEC'd grandparents. That's when the NEA's stated world goals ( CLICK FOR NEA HISTORY ) were imposed and changed our whole system from academics to social outcome and correct thinking and acceptance. So the only people responsible for the parents and their parents are the NEA'er who indoctrinated them instead of teaching them. That's also when the discipline in schools started to unravel. The parents and grandparents are only the outcome and suffer from the unionized teachers indoctrination changes of "out-come based" education that does away with real education in exchanged for proper thought compliance.

We agree completely that clueless parents are  part of the problem but if we refuse to deal with who is responsible for those parents the problem will only carry over to the next generation and perpetuate.  I believe those like the union who created this damaging form of education and those who promote the union and this cause are completely worthless and are the problem.

I won;t sit around and out of blind " get-alongness" give lip service to the problem just to be popular. I am dealing with ( like the majority) the real root  problem that must be fixed first. I'm Glad to see you actually take the time to study these things. I'll provide some good study material that will take you about 6-8 hours to go through and check their sources. You will , when finished, understand the larger and more looming problem as a whole.  Thanks for supporting children.

Click HERE for Public Education Dumbs Down Kids part 1

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PEACE :)

 

 

 

 
Reality Check
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 8:40 pm
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THank you GOP for trying to overreach and abuse power. You just gave Obama a golden ticket to 2012. A Democrat better step up to the plate in Indiana or Mike Pence is going have a red carpet to the state house. And, for all purposes of this site, is 100 yards to the right of Daniels.

State House politicians didn't think their Republican brothers and sisters who were also teachers, plumbers, pipefitters, electricians, carpenters etc. etc. would pay attention. Guess what? They are and now they're organizing like never before. AND more and more Republicans are saying I'll never vote GOP again.

GREAT WORK!

Keep it up.

Middle Eastern dictators are being overthrown and in USA, where democracy is the rule of law, Republican majority are chosing to eliminate rights. Connect the dots. And, turn off FOX. You'll figure it out.
Reality Check
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 8:44 pm
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Lilamae- teachers do not have to join the union. Right to work really means right to hire you for nothing and fire you for no reason.

Hoosiers wake up. Where are all the jobs? Daniels has lied so much can you not see this? Where are all the jobs?

He's a union buster and a fuzzy math politician.

Stand up for what you believe in but by all means don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

This issue alone just derailed the Daniels Presidency. And I can guarantee you that many GOP legislators WILL have opponents in 2012 (in May and in November). So, looks like a win- win.
Sunny
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 8:54 pm
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Rep. Jerry Torr, R-Carmel, the author of the bill, said it would encourage economic growth because companies prefer right to work states.

RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I was a big time corporation I would want to go where the labor was cheapest!!!!! Like a right to work state or better yet, Mexico where we can pay them $5.00 per day and have no safety standards or EPA regulations!

DUH!!

So we can use tax incentives, our midwest geographic location, our lower cost of living compared to the other states, and available retail/manufacturing space to attract them. Then allow the unions to continue, and allow the money flowing into our better paying middle class citizens flow back out into the economy, buying houses, TV's, vehicles, and the like..

Or we can do away with unions altogether, and pay skilled labor that takes years to get through an apprenticeship $10.00 per hour and they can use what little they make to pay the rent and keep the lights on and have a few dollars for a gallon of gas and that will be it.


The "Right to Work" bill... The title is worst case of Hypocrisy I have witnessed.
Scott Gregory
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 8:56 pm
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Agree that the Republicans have overstepped. Something this big and supposedly important should have been a major campaign theme. At least when Obama ran for President, he made clear he was going to reform health care, so who are the real deceivers. Actually Mitch Daniels, while I am sure he would wish this would go through, is smart enough to realize it is not such an important issue to stake his political future on. He never wanted this fight and wishes it would go away.
Reality Check
Tuesday, February 22, 2011: 9:13 pm
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8 hour work day.

Minimum wage

health benefits

child labor laws

workplace protection

rights for women (as opposed to being fired for being pregnant)

Medical leave

bargaining rights

skilled trade schools and promotion of craft

creation of a flourshing middle class

voice in political affairs

creation of proffesional organizations

higher standard of living

What is a marriage?

What country do you live in?

HINT: (They have "union" in them)
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