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Monday, March 14, 2011: 1:22 pm
More from Liberty
|What a bad lesson for the students of this state. Their teachers paid a union to force a strike by their political party representatives to shut down government just because they don't get their way. What a horrible thing and what a dereliction of community trust. How could anybody respect a union teacher who teach children this kind of poor citizen ship. |
Teachers, stop teaching our children to run from the law and have your politicians turn themself in and do their constitutional duty and return. The children of this state ( and county) are watching you. Unfortunately.
Parent, this lesson of immorality that your children have been taught and illustrated by the union teacher you felt required to sentence your children to, is well ingrained in their memory.
Your children have also seen them down on the public square supporting bad education and fighting to keep anyone from improving it. That has to help them with their self-worth development.
Get your children out of union control.
Monday, March 14, 2011: 2:40 pm
More from Bluecollar
What a bad lesson for the students of this state. Their teachers paid a union to force a strike by their political party representatives to shut down government just because they don't get their way.
That's right. Now tell the children that JR Gaylor paid republican party representatives to sponser a bill that would make their Daddy go from $30/hr to $10/hr.==== "Right to Work"
That's right, tell the children that it's ok for a rich guy to do it but it's bad if working people pool their money and do the same thing
Monday, March 14, 2011: 5:06 pm
More from Liberty
|I know Blue collar, it's all about money. Parents won't give it up for their children and the union teacher won't give it up for the children. |
In any scenario discussed it's all about some self, fighting to keep what one's self treasures regardless of others. It's never about a child's best interest, but only someone fighting to keep their worthless money. In all cases the child loses. Because they have been placed below worthless. The parents don't realize it. The teachers don't realize it. The evil illusion rules the day and the children in this nation ( if allowed to live) are only exploited by the parents and teachers alike, both in their quest for satans cash. This is old news.
Tell me some good news. Like the parents who moved into a small house and sold one of their cars, and started homeschooling their there children.
What about one couple, I know and love, who because of their preacher who wasn't ready to give-up on the union-government schools and so turned his impressionable children over to the world to mold, decide to do the same. Then after several years of trying to participate and stay involved in their child's school, realized they were never able to have a say so of what gos on in the class room, or even being allowed to know, but was kept only focused on the play ground and sports equipment. They sacrifice major in their life style and put their children in a local Christian school with much higher academic achievements that involves all parents. Also, their children were no longer being force to learn the union-governments religion of "secular humanism". Wow, there's some parents and parent educators that deserve honor.
Parents, live stuff poor and family rich. You will be rewarded for it along with your children.
Money has no value in Gods Kingdom on earth. In Gods Kingdom the currency is Love. That's Gods Kingdom on Earth as it is in Heaven. Living by the worlds standards require the lust an pursuit of some temporal governments currency. God word tell us that satan is the God of this world. If we keep on chasing after him his stuff we will never see Gods Kingdom no matter what some well meaning deceived preacher may tell you right before he passes the plate in front of your deceived eyes in the name of God to spend on real estate and wages.
I know we must be able to eat and have shelter and all that but it's were we put the cash we have rather than to keep the cash we we want. If we have things we want before our children have things they need then we have no right to parenthood.
Blue collar, don't worry about your $30 and hour union job. If your services were worth it you will be kept there. If they weren't then it would be steeling to make someone continue to pay you more than your services are worth. And steeling a crime. My guess you are worth every dime and have nothing to worry about.
In any case you always have the right to quit and get another job so your safe.
Monday, March 14, 2011: 6:28 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|It is sad that we forget why unions exist at all. There would be no need, if employers considered employees as something more than throw-away assets. When there are no constraints and Christ is not in the heart, history reveals that greed will trump all else. We are born greedy, self-satisfying, and totally self-centered. People who work for a sold-out Christian business person needs no union. But there aren't many of those. That is why unions are necessary. To say that without a union you will be paid what you are worth is just plain fantasy. |
We don't live in a perfect world. In fact it is a fallen one and we are the fallen. We being the worker, the non-worker, and the employer of workers. Unions can become greedy also. Does that make them less worthy than the greedy fat cat? Do they just accept what is given?
Let's be honest. If it were not for unions, the greed and power of business would be even more evident than it is today. Even with some union counter-balance, business interests are far more influential in international, national, state, and local policy that the unions ever have been. Just imagine would it might be like without the voice of unions. For all that is wrong with unions, we are far better served as a nation with them than without them.
Monday, March 14, 2011: 7:10 pm
More from Liberty
|You obviously never ran a manufacturing company that depends on talented hard-working people to make a lot of quality product with the lowest possible waste.|
That's only possible with quality workers who product enough to more than pay their wage. They are hard to find. Most workers, especially those who have been in a union, who lowered their work ethic, aren't able to get on at the places who pay top dollar. Like Toyota in Georgetown, Ky and Buffalo, WV that pays their people UAW wages without a union. They also cover their benefits and works with their hours to adapt to their families as much as possible. I know people who work for them. They are very picky and it's very hard to get on. It's about work ethic, loyalty, attitude under stress, and desire for output. They do about anything necessary to keep the union out because that trashes all thing they look for in a valuable worker.
All those stories and union brainwashing about sweat shop if no union is nonsensical. If you provide a service that makes someone else money they will pay you what your worth. If you don't feel you are being paid in life what your worth then find a way to be worth more or another job. It's a freedom you still have ( for the time being like all things). and nobody can make you work for them.
Beside nobody, all that made up union brainwash isn't possible because if it was the other 96% of America that doesn't belong to a union gets by just fine by the looks of the walmart parking lot. The idea of using extortion to force business to pay protection to the union ( mob) go's way back and has nothing to do with being needed at on time like the fairy tales that have been floated by those infected.
Unions are only for those who don't have a marketable value and thinks it's ok to steal something they don't have.
Satans money doesn't make people happy and acquiring it that way most certainly can't. Just look at those who belong to the socialist unions like the teachers. Listen to the vile hate and protest they threaten anyone who even suggest they ask only to be paid what they are worth.
They are always mad and threatening to shut some business or government down.
I say jump on board with 96% of our nation who work hard and are thankful for what we are worth.
God Word address how to work in Colossians : " Whatever you are doing, work at it with enthusiasm, as to the Lord and not for people, because you know that you will receive your inheritance from the Lord as the reward. Serve the Lord Christ. For the one who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there are no exceptions.
Monday, March 14, 2011: 7:55 pm
More from KennyD
|Bluecollar and Nobodyimportant,|
Kudos to the both of you on those fine written opinions.
Nobodyimportant, I believe people have forgotten why Unions were formed in the first place. It's a pendulum effect. It has been long enough that this generation of people and workers forgot how hard the Old generation had to fight/strike/be under pressure to get the benefits that we enjoy today. So now that enough time has past corporatist groups are taking advantage of that ignorance and seizing the opportunity.
When their collective bargaining rights are gone, and the wage standards go down, and they have a power hungry *#&$@*$$ boss that fires everyone for kicks they will be screaming for the unions to come back.
As far as Liberty is concerned pay him no mind, I gave up when he informed me that I wasn't a professional and my work ethic was lousy.
Monday, March 14, 2011: 8:12 pm
More from Owl
Look at this statistic, from wikipedia...
"The US Bureau of Labor Statistics most recent survey indicates that union membership in the US has risen to 12.4% of all workers, from 12.1% in 2007."
Where are you getting your information from? None the less that still a small percentage. Why is it that non-union workers, businesses, and governments feel threatend by such a small minority of people.
I know first hand how government wastes money by the hundreds of thousands and millions. If Wisconsin and Indiana want to save money why not look at some of the idiotic projects they throw money at without looking back and clean them up before they ask their employees to take a cut in wages?
Just my take on it.
Monday, March 14, 2011: 11:03 pm
More from Liberty
|Sorry owl, The 4% should be 4.761%. other wise my last post was accurate content.|
Right and wrong has nothing to do with how much money someone or government has. If it doesn't belong to someone , it isn't theirs and just the act of wanting it is covetousness and that's on the list. And if one is a union worker who is forcing it from them in some way then that is steeling and what ?
So here we are who is sinning the most. The fat cat who has a lot of money ? The one who steels ? The one involved in covetousness ?
So who does worst, the one that has it, takes it, or wants it. ? ....
Wrong is Wrong,
Jesus parable of the worker in the field may help bring understanding to all this union mess. CLICK HERE Matt 20: 1-16
14.7 million Union workers
<a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm" target="_blank">From U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics | Division of Labor Force Statistics, PSB Suite 4675, 2 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20212-0001
Bureau of Labor Statistics CLICK HERE</a>
Union Members Summary
For release 10:00 a.m. (EST) Friday, January 21, 2011 USDL-11-0063
Technical information: (202) 691-6378 * firstname.lastname@example.org * www.bls.gov/cps
Media contact: (202) 691-5902 * PressOffice@bls.gov
UNION MEMBERS -- 2010
In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
members of a union--was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S.
Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The number of wage and salary workers be-
longing to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million.
CLICK HERE FOR
TTL Resident Population Data
14.7 million Union workers
Monday, March 14, 2011: 11:28 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|Can't rank sins. God hates the sin of a lie or exageration as much as He hates murder. Coverting what another has is just as serious as the greed of money. Switch them and it's the same.|
Monday, March 14, 2011: 11:50 pm
More from Lassiter
|Nobody You are correct. The reference is James 2:10|
Union creation. Hmm. Unions were created due to abuse of the workers by management. At that time there was no other recourse than for people to organize. That was then. There was no government regulation.
Now, there is government regulation over the workplace. There are laws regarding wages, equal opportunity, severence , age requirement, premium pay for long days, labor board for employer abuses. I suppose I could go on with this list and make this post longer than many of Liberdoods, but I think I've made my point.
IMHO at this point in time the government has made the union obsolete. I read people writing about how the unions get them more and more money when this is not the purpose of the union.
People collectively demanding more money than their employer makes from their labor will eventually cause people to collectively have no job and no income.
Tuesday, March 15, 2011: 12:07 am
More from Liberty
Thank You Nobody, you are correct.
Now, just having money is not a sin if you don't treasure it. Many people that have skills that provide them great amounts of income will give it to the poor and donate it to the needy.
Jesus said : “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to them " and “Blessed are you who are poor, for the kingdom of God belongs to you" So, poor is bad ?
Jesus also said “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!” and " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” and "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father is well pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide yourselves purses that do not wear out – a treasure in heaven that never decreases, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" So being rich is a blessing ?
Why do some look down and insult a person and his family because they haven't a lot of money ?
Why would you drive down the street and when you see someone with a big house and a fancy care in the drive way would you say " God sure has blessed them" ?
God considers money as a snare something that will become your master. Jesus said " For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" and “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
So, maybe the next time you drive by that fancy house with the fancy car you might just consider asking " why would God curse them like that ?" or wonder what they did wrong that caused that.
Never look down at the poor for being blessed with not having all the obstetrical to getting into heaven. They are in much better shape than those who are rich.
So how do we apply this to our conversation ?
Tuesday, March 15, 2011: 12:12 am
More from Owl
|Well Liberty, I can tell you this much from what I do know. I am a member of a Union and if I don't do my job and do it right, I get written up, then if I do it again I get fired. I've been there for years, have put forth an effort everyday, and feel like I earn my pay. I had a supervisor so to speak who had it out for me, and if it weren't for the Union I am sure he would have found an excuse to let me go. Thank God he left. I feel that I have skills and value, and I don't steal my paycheck. I work 40 sometimes more hours a week to earn it. I have a contract with my employer. I receive no more then what that contract states that I get. It's no different then a firm handshake and an agreement between two people. Only this way it's legally bound. They agreed to it, and I agreed to it. So I don't understand where the theft is involved. When there is a dispute that is what arbitration is for. Management is still management the Union doesn't run anything, or hire or discharge anybody. The company doesn't pay the Union, me and my co-workers do. That sir, is as honest as it gets.|
There are many great non-union companies out there. If you treat your employees right, they will never organize. It's that simple.
As to your complaints with schools......... Public schools, charter schools, home schools, there are good and bad teachers in both, along with good and bad parents. It takes both good teachers and good parents to get anything out of a kid these days. It doesn't just depend on the teacher.
You can't pin down problems in schools and society to one group of people, which in your case is the Unions. Adolf Hitler did that and look what happened to the Jews.
Liberty, you are going to have to face the hard fact of life that Society is flat out messed up. It's bad parenting, lack of morals, lack of respect for one another, and selfish people. A lot of these kids are more interested in cell phones, video games, and clothes, and drugs rather then planning a future for themselves.
Now Liberty, you need to slow down, take a deep breath and really consider what you're saying. It's nice that you care about kids, it really is. It's just getting old pal.
By the way I guess the link that I found was older then the one you had.
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