Story comments - Reporter-Times.com/MD-Times.com

Hot topics » PCE contaminated Pike, Mulb ... Graduation marks more than ... Kiwanis peanut days fundrai ...

Restaurant inspections

read more recent story comments Reader comments

Liberty
Tuesday, May 24, 2011: 1:43 pm
More from Liberty

Humm..... When I was a boy we didn't go out to eat.

Maybe my parents didn't trust the health of us children to those who are out to profit from us.

Hates off to the Home Educators !!

Liberty
Tuesday, May 24, 2011: 1:45 pm
More from Liberty

Hats
.

Voice of reason
Tuesday, May 24, 2011: 3:53 pm
More from Voice of reason

Liberty, I have to give you an A for persistence. Somehow restaurant inspections relate to public education. The other thing that popped into my mind is this...just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

Liberty
Tuesday, May 24, 2011: 8:45 pm
More from Liberty

Voice of reason said:
Liberty, I have to give you an A for persistence. Somehow restaurant inspections relate to public education. is this...just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

The connection is one solved by mathematics Voice. Now about " the other thing that popped into my mind....."

I guess as someone who funds the NEA's efforts I expose you have a choice, defend your decision or personally attack someone who thinks different than your self.
It's all about what you stand for Voice. You aren't alone. You are one of ~21 union teachers that post from time to time. You have yet to once be able to defend even on of my posted statistics about your failed system.

You do seem to come on her out of your supported systems failures and make personal attacks on homeschoolers by having the audacity of questioning the parents ability or rights to raise and teach their own children K-12 children. Something you will never do. You have in the past made your belittling remarks questioning the skills and ability of the home educators who have doubled your performance . This makes you look very silly to those home educators and their friends who know all these facts.

You aren't an authority on any academics you teach because you are only trained in running an government system, an operation just as the national cemeteries are an operation requiring logistic and skills to operate. ( I didn't intend for this to be an analogy but as I was typing the thought did cross my mind.)You teach from a book and a curriculum like all teachers and Home educators do. This is why home educators, without a GEC high-school diploma, have children who scores 60% higher in all subject than your supported union government system do.

You do seem to put down home schooling like your union brainwashed you to but you haven't been able to explain even one of the many things that convict the system and union you support. Like why home-schoolers so far out score government ed compounds run by your union. You have yet to answer the questions like : Why your past students you taught turn-out to be such horrible parents you have to blame them for all your current students problems. Why do you work so hard and sweat so hard to just make a "D" and then celebrate if your school is one of the few that even passes. Why you have adjusted the grading system to pass those children that barley made a "D" on the ISTEP or even failed while giving them an A B or C as a grade just to pass them. How schools that flunk their ISTEP'S can pass or graduate so many students...hummm... right. Why colleges seek home-schooled children because unlike GEC student they don't have to finish their high-school teaching their freshman year. Why colleges seek home-schooled children because they many already have college credits earned while finishing the highschool courses at the age of 16 Why many like union teacher who have all the above problems yet call yourselves an educator and go downtown on the square to seek public praise.

Now Voice, I'm not putting you down but because you choose to personally tried to insult me I thought you should concentrate on all the more concerning things the parents of this community are worried and concerned about. So instead of attacking those with all the success, why don't you concentrate on answering the list of public questions I asked that need explaining.

You don't have to put down those who do better than you just to feel equal. Just do better. God values all the same, so much He sacrificed His Son to pay the ransom to Satan for our souls. Stop making excuses about and defending the very system that brings your failing grades. It's not your fault unless you support it. I'm sure if under a real education system you would excel in your results and have high ISTEPS scores instead of the failing ones the government system produces. I know the your union is trying to do the same thing as the schools have done to the grading system and lower the bar for a better grade by doing away with ISTEPS but that only hurts society as we all have found out.

I'm going to personally invite you to convention of educators who have accomplished all the things the union-government teachers only dream about. Fro grade scores and standardized test and SAT's scores. All in a fraction of the time and a trillion dollars per year less money. Make it an investigation on the enemies camp or Liberty's conspiracy mission and wear your sunglasses and carry your magnifying glass. It will be fun and you will learn so much. If you have children you should take it very serious and consider homeschooling them. I'm serious.

"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

Psalm 11:3

Come join us for the 26th Annual IAHE Home Educators Convention to be held at the Indianapolis Convention Center on Friday & Saturday, June 3rd & 4th, 2011. We are excited to be featuring an outstanding speaker line-up; including Michael P Farris, Kevin Swanson, Dr. S.M. Davis, Isreal Wayne, Dr. John Whitcomb, Allen Wolfe and Joyce Herzog as our special needs expert.

Our exhibit hall will be chocked full of your favorite vendors and some brand new ones this year. If you are new to home education or just thinking about the possibility, be sure to check out our free Home Education Information Night to be held on Thursday, June 2nd, 2011.

Want to know more? Click Here

Hey Voice consider the things I pointed out and let's be friends. Life is to short and if you are truly on the side of children we have a lot in common.

Peace :)

Voice of reason
Tuesday, May 24, 2011: 10:31 pm
More from Voice of reason

You assume I belong to the NEA...you know what they say when you assume. Teachers aren't forced to join the union.

Liberty
Wednesday, May 25, 2011: 1:42 am
More from Liberty

You assume I would think by your post you don't? There is something telling about what you just did. You support the union and the system. Besides my post centers around your questioning, homeschooling and a series of questions for you to address for the parents of this community. They are the sentences I started with the word "why" , you spotted them because I left off the question mark.

Sense you favor the union line on homeschooling parents having some form of certification I think you are the best to answer these questions. We need your explanatory answers to the questions. I can list them separate if you like.

I will say up front that your teachers certificate could be considered more of a detriment than and an advantage when it comes to home education. According to the most extensive independent scientific study to date on homeschooling the households where a parent is a certified teacher, the child scored lower than those children in households where parents were not. Not by a lot but they did score lower. This is one clue to the problem with GEC education scoring 43% lower than the homeschooler children. If just one certified teacher lowers the household scores then what do you get when you have 50-100 teachers in that house hold ? That's right, you get the GEC system that scores a astounding 43%+ lower than the avg homeschool household. All GEC teachers are certified and this leads us back to my statement concerning what special knowledge brings them this certification. Remember union-government teachers aren't authorities on any academics they teach, they are trained and certified to operate and run a government system. As I keep heralding it's the system you are certified in that hurts and damages the children in our community. This by chance was illustrated in part by this latest study. You see the homeschooling you really don't understand is everything the opposite of the system you teach now and score over 43% lower than. That's all across the board. Yes, Language Arts too.

Remove the system that chains the children to a failed and nonsensical methods of learning and whala, you get what millions of homeschoolers have today. Teachers who aren't in it for money and educators who really know how a child's mind learns. Also tighter and closer families and true God commanded discipleship of the child. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding sure taste good. Yes, I guess the teachers were deceived and mislead into a poor education system. But where do we go from here ?

I think you have a chance to answer the questions I posed to help with your position. I think if we worked together on this we could help parent who were affected by this overcome that training and do the right thing for their children. It's not to late for some of yours either. Now how can we start the process of educating certified government teachers to break free from the union who makes trillions off of them and rethink education.

Homeschooling is making great strides and hundreds of thousands of parents across America are showing every day what can be achieved when parents exercise their right to homeschool and make tremendous sacrifices to provide their children with the best education available. You only have a chance to be that kind of parent now.

Peace :)

Homeschool Achievement Confirmed

Surveying 11,739 homeschooling students and their families from all 50 states through 15 independent testing services, Homeschool Progress Report 2009: Academic Achievement and Demographics is the most comprehensive study of homeschool academic achievement to date. The results support the large existing body of research on homeschool academic achievement and show homeschoolers, on average, scoring 37 percentile points above public school students on standardized achievement tests. The study also found that the achievement gaps common to public schools were practically insignificant in the homeschool community. Conducted by Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute.

Report Resources

Read the press release.

View the final version of Homeschool Progress Report 2009. (requires Adobe Acrobat Reader)

Read an article about the study.

Visit NHERI, the researcher�s site.

Voice of reason
Wednesday, May 25, 2011: 8:00 am
More from Voice of reason

I'm sure this will be earth shattering to you, but I do think there are parents who do home schooling and do a good job of it. I also think there are parents who use "homeschooling" as a way to get around compulsory education. Those are the parents who aren't testing their kids. Your "facts" are skewed. The only homeschooled kids who are taking standardized tests are the ones whose parents are diligent, follow through, and push them.

I would expect a nice 2:1 student:teacher ratio or even a 5:1 ratio to yield good results. The kids whose parents are keeping them out of school for a host of reasons are falling through the cracks. Sitting at home and watching soap operas all day long isn't good for anyone, and I can point to many kids who are doing that in the name of being homeschooled.

Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind, you will use your skewed facts to support whatever point of view you want. I usually just jab at you when I can't resist. I'm going to try harder to resist from now on because as the saying goes...Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. ~Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain

...ok I'm done

nobodyimportant
Wednesday, May 25, 2011: 9:04 am
More from nobodyimportant

Voice, on one level, I am glad that someone else has mustered the energy to point out where Liberty goes off the track. I certainly had to take a breather. He (or she) can wear you out with the labeling and put-downs. If you believe there is good in the public school system, you will be judged to be a union-sympathizing and uninformed person. I taught from 1962 to 1965, and Liberty is all over me as a brain-washed union teacher whose opinion is unworthy.

We are blessed to live in a country where parents can elect to home school their children. We are also blessed to live in a country that values education and as a nation has brovided for that through a public school system. With all of the faults of both, and none of us should be satisfied with what is or has been, we should be looking to build on what is good and prune the rest.

All of us can find anecdotes of "problems" and we can search sites favorable to our views to find research that puts a shine on our positions. Be wary of accepting Liberty's information as "truth".

I have close friends who are currently home-schooling their children. They run the gamut of being truly blessed and appreciative of the oppotunity to not only teach their children but bond in a way not possible otherwise. I also know of some who are struggling and not sure if it is the right thing to do. I have a few acquaintences who tried it and it did not work out. I also know some parents who would be by almost anyone's measure, ill-equipped and not suitable to be their child's primary teacher. It is God's plan that we not all have the same gifts.

So Voice, if you stay in the discussion for a while, I hope you have a thick skin and don't get discouraged by attempts to minimize your views.

Ok Liberty, READY.....FIRE.....AIM!

drummer
Wednesday, May 25, 2011: 10:53 am
More from drummer

Martinsville has good schools and teachers. I'm not happy with a superintendent with a drunk driving conviction. Even with the good schools Martinsville has, I've seen the elementary school walls plastered with laudatory reports on al sharpton(of tawana brawley fame), jesse jackson and other racists of that sort. I've seen the global warming garbage taught and endorsed by some teachers and I've seen and heard other liberal thought threads endorsed and taught..... all that said, Martinsville has great schools and teachers, but the nibbling at the edges began a long time ago and persists to this day.

Liberty
Wednesday, May 25, 2011: 6:00 pm
More from Liberty

Voice,

Remember, I didn't address you nor personally belittle you but only responded in defense of your personal unsolicited belittlement with statistics and study's to defend the great and loving parents who have sacrificed to provide their children with the BEST education.

I guess you are refusing to answer the questions giving you the chance to offer some supportive evidence in favor of union-government education. But because you offered, instead, good reasons to homeschool I hope you will follow through and advise others what is best for their children and not what is worst just to keep a paycheck.

It's a joke among those who are involved with homeschooling how some of those who aren't feel qualified to make judgments about it by saying things like, "i know someone who knew someone who once heard of someone that didn't like homeschooling so you see it's not good either" or "have a few acquaintances who tried it". You see why they are laughed at is because if one would do the same about GEC education you wouldn't have to look for exaggerated distanced hearsay or "a few acquaintances who might of tried it" you would only have complete failure on the whole system. That's not a put down Voice, that's a descriptive fact. Right now at this very moment in time are union run government schools have either flunked the accreditation or have barley made a "D" grading. You do understand the difference in the 40% spread in testing scores when compared with the nations homeschooled represent the difference between an "A" and an "F". Not my opinion to deal with but just the US and state departments of education and the UN and the third world countries who laugh at us.

You are not the system and you should not support something that is bad for the children. This community hired you to provide the best education for our children. You have that responsibility even if you need to advocate something other than the labor union run government fashion. You have that chance to direct parents to provide the best education possible for their children. You can still make a difference for the community.

You don't have to accept the studies I provide. Do as others have and investigate on your own find all those studies that show how successful the GEC system is. My goal is to have parents investigate and provide the best possible education for their children.

Keep something in mind and read this real slow and take this the most serious. At the end of the day our nation spends fare more than $1 trillion dollars on the labor union run government school system that provides the lowest outcome in education and has made us a laughingstock in the world. If we would dismantle the politician/union run system for a privately run, safety net only, system that requires homeschooling classes in the9-12th grades and who are responsible for their own buildings (saving $16 Billion per year alone) we would end up saving close to a trillion dollars per year and that my friends would feed every starving person on the planet, saving a Millions of lives per year. Better for the children, saves millions of lives, reformation of parenting, stronger families, no more secular humanism to strip children of real faith, be a world leader in education which will attract business to America. on and on.

Now we can choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing. We must not mess up because it will count.

Peace :)

Want to know more? Click Here

10 comments found