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read more recent story comments Reader comments| Trix R for Kids Monday, June 6, 2011: 9:05 pm More from Trix R for Kids  | Did you not witness the craziness of the oil spill in the Gulf this past year? And to invoke Scripture to justify taking the dwindling amounts of oil, leaving NONE for future generations is almost heretical. If you are going to invoke the Bible, please make sure you are on firmer ground than on the side of the oil companies. I strongly suspect that Jesus would not ally himself with these "stewards" of the Earth. |
| nobodyimportant Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 12:48 am More from nobodyimportant | Well said Trix. I think a lot of fellow Christians are discovering the domination of the Republican party by greedy fat cats is a tough pill to swallow. Jesus taught many things, all true. But one repeated many times is the sin of greed. He knew well that the love of mony is making money a god. Jesus looked after the poor, the alien, the cast-off. He didn't waste time trying to find out if they deserved what he had to offer, He just gave it. |
| Liberty Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 10:25 am More from Liberty |
Before you start claiming some kind of moral high ground here there are two things to remember. First all studies ever performed shows that those who are registered to Republican Party give around 30% more to charities than those who are registered as Democrats. They even give more to non-religious charities than democrats. This is an historical statistic and explained well in a study published in The Chronicle of Philanthropy by Ben Gose Ph.D (CLICK ). Thats even with the wealth liberal democrats like Bill Gates giving away billions. I'm not talking politics here but just correcting an attempted deception and pointing out the results of tax forms and party affiliation. Secondly, before making claims of what Jesus did, that you don't do, remember that if you don't follow what He did in your claim you won't ever see heaven. As He warns you in His direct explanation of His Judgment Day. Before anyone claims God's word isn't God Breathed or before anyone claims the damning arrogance to critic the Words of Jesus and have opinions of the Creators Words, Jesus gave all of us all of us a fare warning. Instead of pointing fingers, follow His commands. Instead of studying the Bible for opinions, follow His commands. Instead of making our own private interpretations of God's Word, follow His commands. Because in the end it's simple, as he explains simply to His creation. If one will read the sermon on the mount Matthew 5,6,7 you will see His explanation of His requirements below are just the result of living out His commands given on the mount. No ones opinions, interpretations to confuse and distort Gods word. Just believe Him. He's just giving us the answers to the test. He came to preach and teach the Kingdom of God (of which He is) He gave us the Kingdom rules on the mount and shows us the results of of following them below. If we all would live in His Kingdom we wouldn't have the problems many suffer from. Jesus explained the day of judgment in the Book of Matthew. “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be assembled before him, and he will separate people one from another like a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the king will answer them, ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did it for one of the least of these brothers or sisters of mine, you did it for me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels! For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger and you did not receive me as a guest, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not give you whatever you needed?’ Then he will answer them, ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for me.’ And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” |
| nobodyimportant Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 3:05 pm More from nobodyimportant | Wow Liberty, you took a simple position and ballooned it into something totally unrelated. I was claiming no "high ground" for me. I simply pointed out what everyone who knows anything at all about politics of this day already knows. As Republicans, we have a Christian right element that you don't find to nearly the same degree in the Democrat party. We also have a rather consistent history of favoring the trickle-down economic theory that says if we make it economically attractive to the people at the top the benefits will flow down to the bottom. That theory was a working model for many years. It is not working now. What some of us in the party have come to believe is that our political alliance with big business is not now meshing very well with our Christian values because, in the pursuit of profit, decisions have been made that are injurious to the working men and women in our country. I am delighted that people in Malaysia, Thialand, China,......etc. now have employment. I am not happy that it has come at the expense of our workers who helped make those companies profitable. And then I pointed out a Biblical truth. Jesus taught about the sin of making money our God. He didn't say that it was a bad thing to gain wealth. He simply pointed out that gathering wealth unto yourself can turn our hearts away from Him. And please, don't attempt to put a shine on charitable giving as the measuring stick of concern for the welfare of others. Of course giving money is one way in which we share our resources, and I would not deny that, but maybe some of the giving would not be necessary if the jobs had not been shipped out of the country and illegal immigrants not been hired under the table. To the one given much, much is expected. And what for goodness sake, caused you to insinuate that I was not right with God? I think that's what you said, though the sentence is not too crisp, when you said, "before making claims of what Jesus did, that you don't do, remember that if you don't follow what He did in your claim you won't ever see heaven." Trying to make meaning with that causes my eyes to squint. I would never suggest to you that there was a relationship between your half-baked opinions on teacher and unions and whether or not you have your salvation right. It is not a sin to be of a different opinion. And I will not stop "making my private opinions of God's word." Since He hasn't made it clear to me that anyone else, including you, has the inerrant comprehension of His Word, I will, as you apparently do, try to understand what He is saying to us, considering everything I hear and see. I even take into account your commentaries on scripture, and when it is in line with my understanding of scripture, I can say Amen. When it isn't, ....well, it just isn't. And your entire paste of the segment from Matthew is right on. Nothing there to disagree about. It really speaks to the issue of what we are called to do with the resources He gave us. We own nothing, and everything we have is a gift from Him. It is not ours to do with. And the best example that I can find in scripture to illustrate that scripture teaching and how it applies to this discussion is the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. We will be held accountable for what we have done with what He has given us. (2 Corinthians 5:10). In saying this, I am not claiming a high ground. I am not claiming that I have it all together and lack nothing. I have my own baggage and continue to fall short every day. |
| Liberty Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 4:22 pm More from Liberty | Nobody, I was correcting a political misconception and provided some documentation to back it up. You used Jesus as some measure for your political stance. Jesus has nothing to do with politics or countries. He said “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” When you use Jesus as a standard for some government or political requirement it only belittles Him as if He needs money to make things happen. All things belong to Him and all things are already under His control including our actions as He sees fit. He doesn't need people to make things happen. When Jesus spoke in the Matthew cut and paste I posted I found it disturbing that you considered your self worthy to give your opinion of what He said. Who are you to feel He doesn't know how to explain Himself. Your reformation theology that God warned us about in Jude, 1Peter, 1John, seems to have given some a superiority over Christ's Words and their meaning. Let Jesus speak for Himself and remember, the following is about personal responsibility and personal action and personal sacrifice. The is no such thing as corporate sacrifice or political charity or government charity. All charity as Jesus explains in my Matthew post is personally giving and performed. I'm not endorsing any political party in writing this but I think if anyone would read the study link I provided about different ideologies and charitable giving you can see where the ideologies are born from. Liberals always say the want charity given to the poor, health-care for the sick, food for the hungry, housing for the homeless but only if it's someone else 's money or time like the government using others tax money . Trust me that is only a dereliction of one's personal responsibility to God. Jesus as said." ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did it for one of the least of these brothers or sisters of mine, you did it for me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels! For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger and you did not receive me as a guest, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not give you whatever you needed?’ Then he will answer them, ‘I tell you the truth, just as you did not do it for one of the least of these, you did not do it for me.’ And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” No government can do it for us, but it's our own personal actions that will count. That's why He says that it's the" poor that will inherit the Kingdom of god " and how hard it will be for a rich man to enter. People without money give of themselves and out of poverty which has heavenly value. People with money will give money and not sacrifice but out of excess. Like the money changers who was selling for money what the buyers were suppose to be giving out of personal sacrifice of Items of personal worth. This made the sacrificed doves and such worthless because they where bought with money. This robbed God and as you can see was the only time Jesus got mad. The same thing happens when people throw money in some plate to buy real estate and pay employees with. Where is the personal deeds and sacrifice. I guess my main point is don't wait until it's too late. Trust the Words of Christ for exactly what they say and not what you make of them. Peace :) |
| nobodyimportant Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 6:57 pm More from nobodyimportant | Liberty, you have finally pushed the envelope too far with your talking-down and "I know better" theology. You can "correct" others all you want and hold in disdain anyone who would dare to have an opinion of what scripture says. If you believe there is no room for a difference in understanding, you are putting yourself in that precarious position of pharisitical self-righteousness. I'm through even addressing you. I have finally come to recognize that your posts contribute to nothing in my life except angst. |
| Liberty Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 8:23 pm More from Liberty | Nobody, I was only warning you of making up opinions of what Jesus is saying. He's words ar clear. He is our maker and know how to say what He means and How we will receive it. No human insult needed. That's all. We need to stop coming up with opinions of what He may have meant and just follow what He says. Opinions and interpretations are for those who refuse to follow His Words and in the act of trying to explain them away they basically discredit them by calling them opinions or there can be several opinions. All the most reliable early church followers that were taught by Jesus appointed Apostles who would no didn't have opinions or interpretations. The took Him at His word extremely literal and serious and followed even to death. When asked about a subject they answered with cut and paste scripture. No opinions. As man became corrupted with pride in the 3rd century and after the church became apostate by its taken over by the roman government opinion, like killing was started. I was just warning a brother. To blunt? No harm intended. I listed the scripture that describes the what may happen to the theologians like Augustine, Anselm, Luther. Jude, 1Peter Trust in His Words and follow. That's all I'm saying. Peace:) |
| DANNY NEWMAN Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 8:24 pm More from DANNY NEWMAN | Hey nobody,, I would like to congrats you for giving up on Libertys rants!! As you should have noticed lately, your about the only one whom has ever talked to him/her, or it this long,, The rest of us have gave that up months ago!! Lets see if ya can keep it up!! |
| Liberty Tuesday, June 7, 2011: 9:31 pm More from Liberty | FYI, Ironically you referenced the exact thing I was warning you about when you said : you are putting yourself in that precarious position of pharisitical self-righteousness. pharisitical self-righteousness came from the Pharisees making up their own opinions and teaching them instead of the written law. I don't think you really meant to use that here. That's was my exact warning. You can refuse a brothers correction and warning but do you really want only those who are to afraid of hurting your feelings to care ? I meant no harm. I have no bad feelimgs, Peace :) |
| nobodyimportant Wednesday, June 8, 2011: 1:11 am More from nobodyimportant | Danny, I can do it. Its like talking to a record that has a needle stuck in a groove. It was starting to bring me down. Then I was reminded of the scripture in Phillipians that speaks about focusing on things that are lovely, good, etc. I finally got it that Liberty was about tearing down rather than building up, and I was sucked into it big time. Shame on me! |
| jdigger Wednesday, June 8, 2011: 10:25 pm More from jdigger | I don't remember Jesus running for any public office get off the pulpit Liberty |
| Liberty Wednesday, June 8, 2011: 11:04 pm More from Liberty |
Explain what you mean. What does Jesus have to do with politics ? |
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