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Tuesday, November 22, 2011: 12:00 pm
More from copeman
|This is not worth the fight. Looks like another year where nothing will get done.|
Tuesday, November 22, 2011: 2:28 pm
More from Bluecollar
|This legislation scares me to death. What this will do is take money away from the working man, and allow the big business owner to pay half the wages he's paying now while keeping the price of the services the same. This equals more money in the already rich mans pocket. The only reason any non-business owners would be in favor of this, is because they are jealous that they don't make as much as a union worker.|
It is none of our business how much money the guy next door makes. Life is about choices. Because the guy next door chose to join a union should be no business of yours.
If you don't wanna pay union dues, there are plenty of places out there that aren't union... GO WORK THERE. And quit worrying how much the union guy makes. After all, it's the union guy who's responsible for the wages you have now, as well as the benefits we're ALL losing daily because of legislation like this.
If non union was so much cheaper for the consumer, then HOW COME TOYOTA'S AND HONDA'S COST AS MUCH AS FORD,GM,AND CHRYSLER VEHICLES DO?????????
I'm eagerly awaiting someone to answer the LAST question
Tuesday, November 22, 2011: 6:03 pm
More from Lassiter
|Ok, last question. Ford, GM and Chrysler are doing most of their manufacturing in developing countries without labor laws OR unions just like Toyota and Honda. The Union jobs in this country are a very small fraction of the overall numbers of jobs required to build cars.|
Tuesday, November 22, 2011: 8:03 pm
More from Bluecollar
|OK, Lassiter, then why are cars so expensive now that they have moved production to 3rd world countries and are paying slave wages?|
Hey, don't take my word for it. Don't take Ross Perot's word for it. He told us nearly 20 years ago we would be facing budget deficits if we sent all of our good paying jobs out of the country. Now our country is going broke while we borrow money from china and now THEY manufacture everything we used to manufacture. We are constantly borrowing money because our tax base has been eliminated. Those union workers taxes provided this country with the means to build roads, fire stations, schools etc... All because the rich wanna get richer and people who chose a path in life that didn't pay well, so they attacked those who were doing better than them. Jealousy. That's the root of all our problems. Makes me sick.
This legislation will cripple this state. Our state is doing fine right now paying our bills. Now we are going to wage war against working people who are paying more than their fair share of the bills. The result will be $15/hr jobs which will in turn cause thousands of families to lose their homes and everything they worked for. That's what happens when you cut someones wages in half. Makes me SICK! They are going to go from making good money, paying taxes, buying cars, stimulating the economy... Too losing half their wages and ALL of their benefits, standing in line after they lost their homes that they can no longer afford, looking FOR A HANDOUT. Why? Lassiter, will me losing everything help YOUR lifestyle? Why do we have to go here? Makes me SICK!!!
Tuesday, November 22, 2011: 10:33 pm
More from Moose 65
|Its about time the law gets changed. The unions are holding back new business and if they forget everyone owes them the country can turn around after 11/2012.|
Tuesday, November 22, 2011: 10:44 pm
More from Lassiter
|OK Bluecollar Please do not attribute statements to me I did not use. Nowhere is the word slave wages or anything like that. Did you ever stop to think that if the automobile industry was converted over to the UAW worldwide and every single auto worker in the world got the same bargaining agreement as the UAW workers here have that cars and trucks may cost triple what they do now. Car prices are very relative.|
Hey I do not need to take your word for it or Ross Perots. If I say exactly what you said in the 2nd paragraph then I am under instant attack by any liberal hack in sight. WHich incidentally has happened on this same comment section when I speak of people sending jobs overseas. However, Somebody that speaks out FOR the union can say that and its ok. Jealousy is no more a root to all our problems than hypocrisy, which also really makes me sick.
Look you can take all your dramatics and theatrics in the 3rd paragraph and try out for hollywood. THen maybe you will have the option to pay what you feel is YOUR fair share.
Now lastly, How dare you say that I want you to lose everything. You asked a straightforward question on this blog, and said you were eagerly waiting a reply. I replied with no attack whatsoever on you, your ideology your lifestyle nor my own. IN fact, If you actually read my response to YOUR question you will find that my statement equated the big, bad corporation ducking out of unionization. It looks like you would agree with that, but Nooooo. You just want to have a bee in your bonnett and go off on tangents on anybody that doesn't agree with you in a mollycoddling manner. Now please stop making yourself sick by creating disagreements that do not exist.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011: 1:29 am
More from A Hoosier
|Bluecollar, rant away, I couldn't agree with you more. Unions do keep the wages up, benefits available to the working class, and let's not forget safe work environments. |
If left on their own, businesses would take advantage of the worker every chance they could. Believe it. History has shown you this.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011: 6:40 am
More from Bluecollar
|Lassiter, using words like mollycoddling only make you look smart to people who aren't smart enough to google it.|
Although it may not be clear, my point is this; If you stand in agreement with Brian Bosma on THIS legislation, then there is no gray area... It means you support working men and women losing half their wages overnight because unions will lose ALL power with the stroke of Mitch Daniels' pen. Do I need to explain to you what happens to the household that loses healthcare and half of their wages immediately? That's what will happen to thousands. People who are jealous of the next guy, never think about this when they complain about the union they aren't paying dues to yet reap the benefits of when they help make wages more palatable for all workers.
One more thing... It is total speculation to claim cars would cost triple what they do now if everyone was union.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011: 7:14 am
More from whatever
|Just curious-but does your "Union" family buy American? Or do you shop at Wal-mart, etc... All of the electricians where my husband works voted to get out of the IBEW-because of the fees and LACK of work. Hmmm. |
Thanks for getting the children in this country out of the factories way back when. As for making $15/an hour, isn't that a little more realistic? The-one of the biggest problems with this country is people spending their money so stupidly(Wal-mart again). Not living within their means. I guess when your not working- $15.00 an hour sounds pretty good. I guess if your sitting around at a union hall it doesn't. Your union workers taxes have NOT paid for everything in this country-give me a break. No one in my family is union and I can guarantee they have helped to pay for their share and then some in this state. So don't try to say you all pay for everything because that is total bull. We havn't had a tax refund since we were married over 10 years ago. We make over a certain amount each year-which according to CNN doesn't pay taxes. HA! That is also a bunch of crap. I have pay stubs and tax returns to prove it. Nothing wrong with union-but don't take food off our table. Why do I even look at this crap on here? Self-entitlement is not a self-evident truth. Happy Thanksgiving.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011: 9:02 am
More from Bluecollar
|Whatever, what are you talking about? Taking food off your table? |
I'm glad your husband had the opportunity to vote to get out of the union. I'm sorry there's a lack of work in this country, but cutting everyone else's wages won't change that and it won't put food on your table. I'm an IBEW member myself, so I know a lot about this situation. Hopefully you understand that a big part of the problem was Lucas oil stadium. It took so many electricians to work on it, that companies had to recruit workers to work on other projects. Then when the luke was complete, everybody came back wanting to go back to their old jobs and they had been filled. Bad situation all around. I personally think seniority should have prevailed, but that's not what local 481 agreed to in the past.
Do I buy American? When I can I do. Never owned a foreign car. Hard to tell these days when everything is made in china, ya know? But I certainly try.
$15/hr is better than nothing. But it won't allow a man to do much more than just exist. Maybe to you that's enough. It's not for me. These business owners tell everyone they can't afford to pay union wages, but they can afford to "Lobby" our legislators to enact laws against them. If they would quit spending money greasing politicians, maybe they could afford to pay a man a better wage?
Wednesday, November 23, 2011: 10:23 am
More from Lassiter
|Blue- WOnderful! Glad you have mastered google. I had to learn English long before google existed. Back when you had to pick up a book to learn these things.|
Ok, Everything you state is speculative. Half wages, $15 per hour, BTW, I would Feel quite blessed to find that my labors have averaged $15 per hour. Let alone having somebody else help pay for my healthcare. Now that I think of it, If your making all this great union money could you share some to help a family out with a stack of medical bills piled up? I will not judge if you say no. I am just curious?
Anyway, Car pricing is no more speculative than any of the "facts" you quote in the above diatribes.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011: 11:27 am
More from Bluecollar
|I based 15/hr on the GM stamping plant that closed last year... The potential buyer said they would buy it and keep it open if the employees would agree to cut their wages to $15/hr and no benefits. The employees agreed to hit the street and start life over, or move to another state to stay with GM. I'm guessing that to be pretty close to what we could expect will happen if Bosma gets his way.|
I'm tired of arguing. I only try to open people's eyes to what is REALLY going on instead of what they read in the paper. Bosma will tout this as creating jobs by alleviating unrealistic salaries from the pockets of employers who want to hire more people but are starving trying to pay us. But unless there is some built in guarantee that employers will put more people to work, they will only use this to buy another corvette for their mistress or their spoiled kids.
I always say, that I'm willing to take a pay cut if everyone else is. I'm willing to pay more taxes if everyone else is. Doesn't work that way. We're obviously ready to go backwards 70 years or so till we see why labor unions began in the 1st place. Then, If Jesus doesn't come back 1st, we'll start organizing again and start all over. Good Luck to everyone. Hope crushing unions and taking money out of the working men's pocket and giving it to the rich makes you all feel better about the choices you made to be where you are.
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