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Tuesday, April 17, 2012: 8:43 pm
More from Sparrow
|Danny Stewart |
"You continuously babble about how christians treat women. None of it is true"
The church has left a legacy that can only be ignored by the intellectually deficient.
They have been and continue to be the greastest plague the world has known. Responsible for innumerable wars, genocides, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquistion, The Roman Inquisition, grotesque witch hunts (with victims as young as 9), the salem witch trials, burning at the stake, beating, suffocating, water torture , imprisonment in dungeons until death, the iron maiden, The Rack (in which the victim's body was pulled in opposite directions until every joint in their body was dislocated), garottes, Judas Cradle (victims were hung and streched out with pyrimds in each of their orfices, preventing them from relaxing, and in doing so, death), and here are a few of particular interest to your comment:
The Branks- prior to the 19th century a metal face mask was situated on the head of a woman if her husband considered her disobedient, the helmet had a tongue depressor. The husband would parade her out in the streets as a form of public humiliation
The Breast Ripper: would do just that, rip off the woman's breast
The Pear- inserted in the vagina, then cranked to the maximum aperature of the cavity. Almost always fatal, ripping tissues and flesh
Women were singled out and a far greater number of women were victims than men.
You can see how women were treated by christian men by observing extreme muslim men today.
Recently, Sharia law has been remerging back into the Turkish government. Since, the occurence of domestic violance against women have increased 1500 times. Throughout muslim countries women are circumcised in inhumane ways (usually a broken bottle). Circumcision preventing them from garnering plessure from sex. Women are treated less than dogs. Women are forced to wear burkas, adultery or sex before marriage results in death, and women aren't even allowed to touch another person.
Martin Luther stated "If women become tired or even die, that does not matter, let them die in child birth, that is why they are here"
This is the man that was responsible for The Reformation. The Reformation which was the result of the catholic church abusing their powers.
Mr. Luther was't alone, the quotes from bishops and saints over the last hundred years coincide with that misogynic thought process. The Saints have compared women to sewers, manure, and have stated man is better off without a woman.
Danny, I can hear the prays now, coming right from the mouth of all of those priest who participated in these unimaginable grotesque acts, yes Danny, they too, thought they were going to heaven someday.
Tuesday, April 17, 2012: 10:45 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|All of the arguments against Christianity so far have been citations of fallen men. God is perfect, but we are not. To try to explain our mis-steps is futile. Becoming a person of faith doesn't make us perfect. And to hold a measuring stick of perfection as necessary for intellectual approval is to set an unattainable requirement.|
Athiests (without God} have a belief system very much akin to that of Christians. We Christians accept by faith that there is a God. We have no choice, since God has chosen not to reveal his presence for over 2000 years. Likewise, Athiests accept by faith that there is no God. They have no choice because there is no proof that there is no God.
Faith is not a pathetic baseless optimism for something that science disproves. Faith is actuality. Faith is substance. Faith is conviction. Christians and Athiests share that reality.
Here is where we differ. When an Atheist rejects belief in God, he rejects any source of confidence beyond his own level of reasoning or understanding. The thinking Atheist will forever be questioning the origin of the universe, will be perplexed regarding morality, and will be unsure of his own destiny and purpose in life. On the other hand, the Christian is comforted concerning these things. We won't always get it right, as we take matters into our own hands and step outside of God's shelter, but then He knew we would be prone to do that. That is why it was necessary for Jesus to be the sacrifice that He requires for sins.
So, we act accordingly. Atheism requires nothing of man except what other men can enforce. God has set some very high standards. I won't obtain perfection, but that is a given. I do not worry about the shortcomings. They do require my attention, a humble spirit, and a genuine attitude of repentence. My comfort is that my destiny beyond this life isn't dependent upon me always getting it right except for the big ones....believing in Him and loving others as He would have me love them.
I am not disuaded by attempts to paint Christians as weak-minded, unintelligent, or prone to blind following. I like to be challenged. It keeps me sharp.
Wednesday, April 18, 2012: 1:07 pm
More from Charlie
|nobodyimportant "I am not disuaded by attempts to paint Christians as weak-minded, unintelligent, or prone to blind following. I like to be challenged. It keeps me sharp."|
O.K. Here are a couple of challenges for you. Why do you suppose that (according to your infallible bible) Jesus wantonly destroyed a perfectly good and valuable fig tree, in a fit of pique, because he was hungry and it bore no fruit, even though, as the bible clearly states, it was not in season. That would be like me passing by someone's apple orchard in February and stopping to chop down one of their valuable apple trees because I was angry it had no fruit on it. And don't start with the "God's ways are not man's ways b.s. God's ways should be better than man's ways.
And here is another I have wondered about. Maybe you can help me.
Much is made about the famous “Sermon on the Mount.” Why do you suppose Jesus never mentioned germs? I mean after all, he had to have known about germs, right? Think of all the millions of people who died between somewhere around 33 CE and 1862, when Louis Pasteur came up with the germ theory of disease. Think of all the millions upon millions of children, let alone adults, who died in agony from preventable diseases, simply because Gentle Jesus Meek and Mild didn’t bother to mention germs.
The willful ignorance displayed here by some commentators who are too cowardly to post their real names is so thick it is palpable. I personally don’t give a hoot about that. But when you spread your willful ignorance to children, whose minds have not yet developed enough to think critically and logically, you are engaging in child abuse, not much better than the pedophile priests in the Catholic church and ministers and “youth counselors” in the protestant religion when they sexually abuse children.
If civilization is to survive, this insanity, whether its Islam whose adherents think Mohammed rode a white winged horse to heaven, Mormons who think Jesus will touch down in western Missouri, Hindus who believe so much crazy stuff it would take a book, or Christians who think snakes and donkeys talked, virgins get pregnant and dead men come back alive has got to stop.
According to the CIA World Factbook the earth's population will reach 7,021,836,029 by July 2012, a mere three months from now.
Presently we are experiencing a birthrate 19.14 births/1,000 population or 252 worldwide births per minute or 4.2 births every second (2012 est.)
7.99 deaths/1,000 population or 107 worldwide deaths per minute or 1.8 deaths every second (July 2012 est.)
In other words the population of the earth is growing by 145 per minute!! That works out to an increase of 76,212,000 per year, a majority of who believe all that crazy stuff mentioned above.
We have got to turn this around folks. It’s time to start our own billboard campaign to counteract the foolishness on those thousands of Christian billboards across the country. I salute Kimberly. She puts her money where her mouth is and her mouth speaks the truth.
Wednesday, April 18, 2012: 5:38 pm
More from Danny Stewart
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was 2012. Do you know of any so called Christian men using these practices today? If you do, then you need to be calling the police. Not crying about the middle ages.
Wednesday, April 18, 2012: 5:45 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|No Charlie, I won't try to pesuppose what Jesus had in mind when He said or did anything. You obviously have been down this road before and you apparently have rejected the responses you have been given. The web is full of articles on this subject and modern man's thoughts on why Jesus did what He did. I can't add anything to the explanations you have already rejected.|
But jusat one minor point, if it makes any difference. In the Palestinian culture of the day, there were roadside fig trees that perhaps were volunteer plants anong the public rights of way. Travelers were commonly found to help themselves. If you know anything about Peter, who was traveling with the party, you can imagine that if Jesus did an odd thing like break a law or even an affront to an innocent landowner, He would have made a point of bringing it up.
I think it is just fine for non-believers to put their views on billboards. Our founding fathers, who were predominantly Christian would approve of it.
Saturday, April 21, 2012: 12:55 pm
More from A Hoosier
|Charlie, love reading your post. However, without the most simple of Christian values, instilled in a majority of our population, life on this blue dot would be vastly intolerable. In my opinion.|
Saturday, April 21, 2012: 10:25 pm
More from Charlie
|Thanks A Hoosier, for your comments.|
There are groups of people who call themselves “believers” that buy into a plethora of religions and they hang on to their beliefs in spite of mountains of evidence that, for any reasonable person, i.e. a person capable of reason, would cast those beliefs into the trash pile. They nurture the frauds that poison the minds of little children with mythology paraded as truth. No amount of reasoning or evidence will change their minds or make them see the light. They are like sheep who are fleeced and will battle anyone to retain their right to be fleeced and butchered.
I think it would be nigh impossible to find a reader of these pages that would approve of their children attending a mosque where they would be taught that Jesus is nothing special and that their true religious leader was Muhammed who rode a white winged horse to heaven and back. Yet these same people, with special pleading (or bleating) claim that while the Muslim religion is delusional, theirs is the one true religion.
I have had enough of the nonsense. If there is a god, it was he/she/it that gave us our 1600cc brain. Since it is the only thing that separates us from the "higher" animals, we should consider it a gift. Not using it is tantamount to rejecting a gift and there is no insult worse than rejecting a gift. After all, as any student of the bible should know, the first murder in recorded history was committed over a rejected gift.
Read for yourself the Cain and Able story. I’m weary of spoon feeding believers bible stories they should know by heart. Just save me the "Oh that's from the OT. Jesus said he approved of ever "jot and tittle" of the OT. How many here know what a "tittle " is?
Saturday, April 21, 2012: 11:56 pm
More from nobodyimportant
|There you go again Charlie. You clearly think that anyone who believes in the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac isn't using their brain (and then you confuse me by suggesting there might be a God who gave us that brain).|
Jesus told us how He wants us to come to him (as little children). That means believing in Him, not with our brain, but with our heart. He does not demand of us that we believe. He is patient and allows us to get through issues like "how can I believe without evidence?"
He also does not want robotic followers who fall in line because of overwhelming evidence. He desires that we have a relationship with Him, and why would I not want to have a relationship with Him? He loved me long before I was born and in my years of ugliness and separation from Him because I did not believe. I know that because he gave His Son, the perfect Lamb, as a sacrifice for my sins. Who else would do that? I owe Him nothing less than my complete loyalty, trust, respect, and obedience. Had He just left me alone, I would have nothing to look forward to but what I could gain for myself in this life.
Hoosier makes a point, but I don't agree that the "reason" for Christianity is for more peaceful sociatal conduct. It is a natural by-product of people who consider themselves secondary, even tertiary to God and other people. You betcha that this would be one amazing planet to live on if every person followed Christ.
But that's not the way it is and not the way it will be until..... In the meantime, we will go on messing up. The difference is, that the believer who messes up has a way to give up the mistakes. The non-believer is stuck with his own best thinking and with the clock ticking.
Sunday, April 22, 2012: 3:15 am
More from Danny Stewart
You completely missed Hoosiers point. As I stated before, you lack wisdom and understanding.
Sunday, April 22, 2012: 10:52 am
More from Charlie
|Hoosier Danny and nobodyimportant have had their brains infected at an early age and there is no way they will ever free themselves from their intellectual prison. If they had been accidentally switched at birth and sent home with a Muslim mother, they would be facing Mecca and praying five times a day. If they had been sent home with a Hindu mother they would have more gods than they could throw a stick at. And if they had been sent home with a Mormon mother, they would believe when Jesus returns he will touch down in Jackson County, Missouri. |
As I mentioned before, there is no cure for delusion.
Sunday, April 22, 2012: 9:11 pm
More from Charlie
|Danny said: “Charlie, You completely missed Hoosiers point. As I stated before, you lack wisdom and understanding.”|
Christianity is entirely based on the ridiculous idea that a god impregnated a woman with himself, so he could sacrifice himself, to himself, in order to abolish a law that he himself created because a rib woman and a dirt man ate a piece of fruit from a tree that he already knew they would eat from before he even created them.
I think it is curious that evolutionary biologist and paleontologists have established that we homo sapiens reached our present brain size, that is to say became fully human, some 200,000 years ago. Then for 198,000 years the Christian god sat by and twiddled his thumbs while his most crowning achievement, us, suffered and died from starvation, cold, drought, floods, disease, and wild animal predation. Then in a magnificent moment, in a land that was home to some of the most ignorant people on the face of the earth, impregnated a virgin with a copy of himself, brushed his hands and said, “There! That oughta’ do it!
I defer to your outstanding wisdom and understanding which you have obtained from your study of the bible, Danny. But keep this in mind. A lie is a lie even if everybody believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it.
Monday, April 23, 2012: 7:59 am
More from nobodyimportant
|Charlie, quite the contrary. In my youth and up through mid-life, I didn't publically pronounce my disbelief, but I was there. I came to terms with God at the age of 64. I had read the Bible a couple times, but I didn't get it. I was "religious" for many of those years, attending church and looking outwardly a good man, but it was just a facade. |
The past 8 years have been the most peaceful, hopeful, and productive years of my life. I don't worry any more about that day when my eyes will close and I will no longer be alive. I don't know how else to explain the difference that God has made since I gave up looking for proof that He exists.
I'll continue to pray for you Charlie. Most of all, I'll pray that it doesn't take as long for you as it did for me.
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