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‘I can’t afford this:’ Many call for scale-back of annexation

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ronschoolcraft
Saturday, June 16, 2012: 8:09 pm
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fed up said:
Well I hope the deckard and city council are reading this, they find out what we really think of them, if they were paying attention at the last meeting they should already know.Deckard just out to get as munch money as possible, holloway reminds me of a little weasel, the mayor is pulling the wool over their eyes, and the council will take the blame while deckard and holloway ride off into the sunset with all the money while the council are left wondering what just happen, and we the tax payers are left with all the debt, if you are reading this please wake up, and see you have sold a pack of lies, all they want is our money, we will not get any city services that would cost millions of dollars to install, the city is broke., wake up and see deckard for the crook he is, you know what they say about wolf in sheep's clothing, we don't want in the city,we want nothing from you , except to leave us along, its not our fault the city's broke, we had no part of that, its time to realize you cannot spend what you don't have, i live on a budget, i don't buy things i cant afford, when the government figures this out we will all be better off


While I agree that the annexation is partly an attempt to fix the city's budget problems, I do not think that Mayor Deckard is a crook and I don't think that kind of bad-mouthing is helpful to our cause. Ross Holloway, on the other hand, strikes me as someone who is thinking only of himself and his plan.

My pastor told me the other day, "Ron, you drive on city streets that were annexed at one time and don't think any thing of it." Well, that is not true. I do think about things like that. Again, I bring up Cade's Cove. I enjoy spending time there, but it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about how the government forced those people off of their land. I would rather that still be privately owned with me not able to enjoy it than what happened. It was wrong, no matter how many people enjoy it now.

This will probably anger some folks, but I'm good at that. Areas like Grand View Heights and other additions like those begin to make some sense to annex. The houses are close together, like houses in town and people have already given up their privacy like those in town. However, I think the people living there should have some say in the matter. I also think that if an area like that does get annexed, the city should have to compensate the homeowners. They (the homeowners) should not be forced to bear the expense of connecting to the city utilities. The city should have to provide that to the newly annexed properties.

Ultimately, the property owners being annexed should have a say. The way the law is written now, we don't. That is tyranny -- by definition.
Danny Stewart
Sunday, June 17, 2012: 7:30 am
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Patriot said:
Danny,

While your guess is way off base, I hold no political status. It doesn't take an educated person to decipher your bitterness towards the city and its administration. As a proud member of the community, I take offense to your comments! You have nothing good to say of anyone, always negative. Your posts are littered with complete distortion of the facts. Your slander of our city is detestable! I tend to thinker no matter the situation you are going to find fault. I may not agree on everything that happens in our city, but it is much easier to work together to accomplish the necessities for our community.



Hmmm. Spoken like a true Burgois.
nobodyimportant
Sunday, June 17, 2012: 8:11 am
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I guess I am just dense. When I log in to post, I do so using my email address and a password. That allows me to post under my only usernam,"Nobodyimportant." Are you telling me that I can activate more usenames than the one I have?

Probably the best reason that I can think of to not use my real name on a blog like this is the nature of several people who post on here. When reason, civility, and respect for others vanish and are replaced personal attacks, name-calling, labeling, and down-right ugliness, I prefer to not have those things attached to my name out in the public.

On a lighter note, I do draw a bit of silly satisfaction from the guessing that goes on. It seems to obsess with some people. Having been on here for quite a long time, I can recall guesses about me including politician, preacher, lawyer, social worker, and "somebody important." It's a hoot!

I won't trade personal attacks, or at least I try not to. I am currently in a Bible study on the Sermon on the Mount and several of His teachings really spoke to me about the way we are to consider and treat others. It's good stuff.
fed up
Sunday, June 17, 2012: 1:45 pm
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Ron, i wish you would leave grandview heights along. what about all the places that already have water and sewer?i thank we can all agree that the people of washington township don't want annexed , no matter how close or how far they are from the city or little or how much land they have, the state took my families property to build lake monroe, they settled
that land in the early 1800's, and the government took it, my great grandpa's are buried on state property, i have to hike four miles though the woods to see them , that is if i can find it ,it is unmarked, their are cemeteries under the lake, they moved,how do you move 100 year old remains? the lake is beautiful, but at what cost to others, i'm afraid the city has a hidden agenda we know nothing about, i might live in grandview , but i don't want anyone taking my property, i love my home just as much as you do yours, you like to talk about cades cove, i thought i would share my story with you, its a lot closer to home.
ronschoolcraft
Sunday, June 17, 2012: 3:17 pm
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fed up said:
Ron, i wish you would leave grandview heights along. what about all the places that already have water and sewer?i thank we can all agree that the people of washington township don't want annexed , no matter how close or how far they are from the city or little or how much land they have, the state took my families property to build lake monroe, they settled
that land in the early 1800's, and the government took it, my great grandpa's are buried on state property, i have to hike four miles though the woods to see them , that is if i can find it ,it is unmarked, their are cemeteries under the lake, they moved,how do you move 100 year old remains? the lake is beautiful, but at what cost to others, i'm afraid the city has a hidden agenda we know nothing about, i might live in grandview , but i don't want anyone taking my property, i love my home just as much as you do yours, you like to talk about cades cove, i thought i would share my story with you, its a lot closer to home.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. If your family didn't want to sell, the lake shouldn't have been built. It's wrong!

The same scenario is likely to play out here.
The Mayor
Sunday, June 17, 2012: 6:46 pm
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To Danny Stewart: Danny, you couldn't be farther off on your identification of the "Blogger" names you listed. I can assure you, "on my Mother's grave"...the Mayor is not "Patriot"...JR (incidentally, he is a II, not JR) is not "Just Observing" or "moco55". And, Trout is not "To The Point." As a matter of fact, JR does not have an account and has never been on the "Blogg" or involved himself with this bantering. However, when I share this with him it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't elect to pay you a visit to discuss it further. I have no idea of what name Councilman Strader uses. Some of the other "Bloggers" have contacted me seeking certain information/facts prior to their "Blogging" and, that's how I know their identities.
Danny Stewart
Sunday, June 17, 2012: 9:21 pm
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Phil,

This is the second time you have threatened me with having someone coming to pay me a visit to discuss the matter further. Do it again sir and I shall be forced to file suit for threats of intimidation by by a public official.

If you don't like what I or any other blogger says about you, the way this town is being run, or what we say about any official, elected or appointed, then take your self rightous arrogant rear end out of office.

You will not intimidate me sir. Nor will I allow you or any other official, elected or appointed to intimidate anyone else. You sir, work for us. You do not have the right to shut anyone up just because you don't like what they say or do. I have never once threatened anyone on here or anywhere else.
ronschoolcraft
Monday, June 18, 2012: 3:21 am
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I don't see what he said as a threat.

The stupid, anonymous banter here is why I usually steer clear. However, this issue is forcing me to use whatever venue I can to make my arguments. It doesn't help if you throw personal hatred into the arena It discredits everyone.

Personally, I don't care who the anonymous folks are. There opinions don't carry any weight because they won't identify themselves. They're not confident enough to stand behind what they say. It doesn't do any good to guess either. It makes one look foolish when one is wrong.

For now, Mr. Mayor, please carefully consider my arguments and do the right thing. Don't force these freedom loving patriots to swallow the annexation pill. It is tyranny. Do you want to be remembered as a tyrant? Martinsville needs growth. This isn't the way to do it.
nobodyimportant
Monday, June 18, 2012: 8:27 am
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That's over the top Danny. Read the post again. He said that he would not be surprised if someone else called on you to discuss it. He didn't say he or any official would come to do you harm. This is what happens when the words turn from the issue towards attacks on persons.

As for the continuing complaint of anonimity, it matters not. The words speak for themselves, regardless of the author and don't need the weight of a name. They are simply the opinion of a citizen, a person. Ron, your words would be just as significant if your name was "about to be annexed". You can assign more value to a post when it comes from a person who identifies themself, but I doubt that you really do that. If you disagree with a posting, I don't think you would change your mind because of who posted it.

I usually take the postition of peacekeeper in arguments. I hope that in what can be the heat of the moment over an issue more important to some that others, we all keep our wits and treat others as we want to be treated.
The Mayor
Tuesday, June 19, 2012: 1:34 am
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To: Nobodyimportant; I appreciate your comments and certainly did not make a threat to Mr. Danny Stewart, as he indicated. But, he has his right to do as he sees fit; however, if I'm ever so intimated by the likes of him to feel the need of making a threat, he'll certainly know the difference. I agree with your thoughts of trying to stay civil on such matters and working together to obtain the best results, realizing that everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions.

To: Ron Schoolcraft; I also appreciate your comments and, as I told you at the "Public Meeting"...I, too, have mixed emotions on the subject of annexation and, along with the councilmen, have been giving it a lot of thought. I have thoroughly investigated both sides of the argument...and, I see some of the pros and cons for each side and certainly agree to disagree on the matter. Again, I do not have a vote in the matter nor am I trying to influence council members one way or another; however, I must look at it as what's best for Martinsville in the end result, overall.
Danny Stewart
Tuesday, June 19, 2012: 7:50 am
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"If his heart could have been that of a cannon, he would have thrust it upon the whales white hump."
ronschoolcraft
Tuesday, June 19, 2012: 11:10 am
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The Mayor said:
To: Nobodyimportant; I appreciate your comments and certainly did not make a threat to Mr. Danny Stewart, as he indicated. But, he has his right to do as he sees fit; however, if I'm ever so intimated by the likes of him to feel the need of making a threat, he'll certainly know the difference. I agree with your thoughts of trying to stay civil on such matters and working together to obtain the best results, realizing that everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions.

To: Ron Schoolcraft; I also appreciate your comments and, as I told you at the "Public Meeting"...I, too, have mixed emotions on the subject of annexation and, along with the councilmen, have been giving it a lot of thought. I have thoroughly investigated both sides of the argument...and, I see some of the pros and cons for each side and certainly agree to disagree on the matter. Again, I do not have a vote in the matter nor am I trying to influence council members one way or another; however, I must look at it as what's best for Martinsville in the end result, overall.


I will say again, that just because the law is written to give you (the city government) the power to do what you are planning to do doesn't make just. The law and process, as written, are inherently unjust. Ms. Stuttgen's comment at the public meeting is very telling and and echoes a prediction that I made earlier. She said, "Martinsville needs more areas for recreation." That means she sees the area north of town as future park for city residents. The current council may not see it that way, but future ones will. Especially with folks like Ms. Stuttgen clamoring for more recreation space. Soon eminent domain will be used to seize that land for the "common good."

Mark my words. It will happen. Where do the unfortunate property owners find recourse? They don't. Their hard work is swallowed up by people who didn't earn it and don't deserve it. They want the benefit without the sacrifice.

I want Martinsville to grow. This is the wrong way to go about it.

For me, this is not personal between me or any of the councilmen or the mayor. I am trying to make you see the personal side of this from a landowner's perspective because we have ZERO say in this decision. We can only call on your humanity and ask you to not violate our constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Constitutionally guaranteed. That phrase doesn't seem to mean as much as it used to.
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