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Sunday, August 19, 2012: 8:09 am
More from nobodyimportant
|To say that in the name of Christianity there have been no false teaching, no wrongs committed, no extremism would be an untruth. That changes nothing. |
My point was that there is no need to fear contact with Christians, literature about Christianity, or that "brainwashing" will occur. We have the free will to accept or reject. Mr. Milligan seems to believe that his daughter should not me exposed to the literature or people who hand it out. What is that if it is not fear?
That we disagree Emdee is clear. Your characterization of us as frightened and at the same time thinking ourselves to be martyrs is an example of an oxymoron. In fact, there is abundant peace knowing that life isn't over at the grave. We only want to take as many people with us when we go (definition of an Evangelical Christian).
For me to use the psychological defense mechanism of projection, I would have to be attempting to deflect attention directed to me of a condition that I should be owning, perhaps blaming others for my situation. I can assure you that fear of death is not a condition I own. At my age and in my physical condition, I actually look forward to that stage of my life.
Sunday, August 19, 2012: 9:20 am
More from Bluecollar
|Emdee you're the 1st person I've ever met to hold the view you shared. Evangelical christians all think they're martyrs? Really? We're frightened? Really? |
I think it's quite clear that Mr Milligan is afraid his daughter will believe something a christian says. I used to be scared to death that my kids would be brainwashed by some liberals that homosexuals were born that way and that it's ok.
But if we encountered a group like that we would just walk around. This IS a free country and you have the right to believe what you want. It's my job as a parent to teach them how to deal with all kinds of people in this world that would love to impress their views on them.
I've seen christian groups who are very aggressive, and if that's how this group was that night then I wouldn't have agreed with them being there. I'm ok with them being there in the main hallway but staying in there booth and letting people come to them.
I also believe it's a bunch of bull, that these teachers can teach my kids what islamics believe or speak on socialism but if they were to speak about Jesus they would be crossing the line of separation of church and state.
Sunday, August 19, 2012: 5:43 pm
More from Emdee
I guess there's a first time for everything, isn't there? Ha.
I suppose it's true that I make a mistake generalizing in any sense -- "ALL" this or "ALL" that. But do I think that many, many members of the visible (i.e., politically active) wing of Evangelical Christianity view themselves as martyrs? Absolutely. It's impossible to watch right-wing TV or listen to right-wing radio without hearing the narrative of Christianity "being under attack" and "Godless liberals trying to stamp out God." Maybe that's true in some circles, but to paint all liberals with that brush is the same mistake I make by painting all Evangelicals as I did. Fair enough, isn't it?
As far as your last point, for what it's worth I actually agree with you. I think all ideas should be welcomed, and I, myself, don't have a problem with someone speaking on Jesus. And why should I? But why should Christianity be given special deference, as if the rest of Americans don't matter? You want a morning prayer in school? I have no problem with that, but allow a Hail Mary, a Jewish prayer, a Muslim prayer, whatever equally. Otherwise, no dice. The hard left might not go for that idea, but the hard left is no better than the hard right. Extremists ruin it for everybody.
Sunday, August 19, 2012: 6:32 pm
More from Chuck2810
|Sad day when intolerance rises so far as to try to keep a bible club from a child who won't learn it at home. The left's idea of 'tolerance' is quite odd. I am sure there are many opposed to 4H (animal rights activists) sports (academians) and others too. But, it seems the anti-God folk are the only vocal minority. If you can't tolerate otherís rights, you need to seriously consider your position.|
Sunday, August 19, 2012: 11:23 pm
More from RevTJCarter
|Another Madiline O'Hare. What a shame. With the way society is, they still want the Bible out of schools. Lady you may be a "secular humanist" but one day you will stand before a Almighty God, and you will have to give an account of what you have done. I would not want to be in your shoes. If a person wants to join a Bible Club in school they should be able to do so. My High School had one called the " Thee Club" and it was just like the|
band or student council etc. We even met during school hours when the other clubs had their meetings. We had over 90 members who were in the club. Yes, it was a public school in Florida. You will find out just being a good person WON'T get you into Heaven. Shame, shame, shame.
Monday, August 20, 2012: 8:34 am
More from RevTJCarter
|Oh, by the way. True Christianity is NOT a religion. It's a way of Life. A personal relationship with Christ. A life changing experience. So I guess you don't want your daughter to experience it. There will be a day when you will no longer be on the this earthly plane. Maybe she will have the right to choose then. I will be praying for you. A life without Christ is not a life. It's an exsistance. There is a God. I have no doubt about it.|
Monday, August 20, 2012: 2:03 pm
More from blende
|A few things you fine non-judgmental "Christians" should consider. If your child's teacher was a Mormon and they came home telling you that "My teacher says that Joseph Smith is the true prophet of god and that all men should have 3 wives." How quickly would your non-judgmental rear ends be in the principal's office complaining????|
What if they came home describing how they want to become a Scientologist because their teacher says it's true? Think you'd like hearing that?
Imagine that you break your leg in a car accident and the ER doctor is new to town and the only one qualified to repair your leg. Now imagine that this doctor is from India and he is a Hindu and his kids go to school with your kids. Now imagine how he and his kids would feel if their school endorsed Christianity over all other religions on tax payer dollars.
You people need to get a clue. There are literally BILLIONS of human beings living on this planet who have an entirely different god(s) than you or are good without a god at all.
You are Christian because you were TAUGHT to be a Christian by your family and peer group. If you were born in Saudi Arabia you would be a Muslim. If you were born in India you would be either a Muslim, a Hindu, or a Sikh. You're all hideously judgmental and live in a bubble. Afraid of witchcraft, and demons, and Harry Potter. It's embarrassing to see some of the ignorant comments on this article.
Monday, August 20, 2012: 2:05 pm
More from blende
|You "christians" sit on your butts and pray all you want. We'll do the thinking and good deeds for you.|
Monday, August 20, 2012: 8:34 pm
More from Danny Stewart
|I wonder, did any other religious group ask to have a table at the open house? Likely not. |
I also wonder why evolution is required to be taught yet creationism isn't. Both are theories to our being here. Neither can be proven.
I find it rather amusing that those of liberal thinking are the first to shout equality, yet are the very ones that refuse to allow it.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012: 12:51 am
More from Lassiter
We? You got a mouse in your pocket or something? Thinking? did you say thinking? If you were really that smart you wouldn't waste your time speaking to all of us. Soo why don't you just go ahead with that delusion that you are the brainchild of the world, Get together with that screwball we have for a president and go to Mars with your explorer and see if you can figure out why the Earth blocks your view of Venus.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012: 8:11 am
More from nobodyimportant
|Blende, to get us back to the beginning of this discussion which, as often happens here, has deteriorated to name-calling and put-downs, I'd remind you that the parent of the child objected to a having a table with information in the same room as his daughter. The surface issue apparently is that he didn't wish his daughter to be exposed to that material or the people who sponsored the table space. I didn't see anything that suggested viewing material was mandatory, so I came to the conclusion that this was a statement of opposition to Christianity specifically.|
To address a few of your misunderstanding about Christianity, its roots were in the nation Israel. Our God chose that small people to reveal His son to us. There were many many more nations more numerous that the Jews, so the numbers are not important. That there are more non-Christians than Christians now is not disputed, but it isn't relevant.
wAs happens often, Christians are put down as "judgmnental", because we don't hold to "I'm ok...you're ok" thinking. It is clear that there is no great middle ground. In our view you are for God or against Him, period. That's not being judgmental, it is being true to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, no other god. We would be hypocrits if we did anything else.
Though this nation was conceived to give personal religious liberties, it was founded on Christian principles. It takes not more than a few moments to review the papers of our founding fathers to see that clearly.
Our courts have ruled, whether you believe it is right or wrong, that schools are units of government, and as such,are bound by separation of church and state rulings originally crafted to address the relationship between churches and the Federal government. Personally, I believe they stretched the coverage far beyond the intent, but that is now the law of the land and we are called to be obedient to that.
To imply that the table of literature was the result of a school "endorsing" Christianity is way off. And if that is what you believe, you are basing your belief on false premises.
As a parent and grandparent Christian, I am not fearful of children being exposed to information about other religions, including the religion of atheism. I would hope you do also.
Tuesday, August 21, 2012: 8:43 am
More from nobodyimportant
|I see that you had already addressed my last comment. Sorry I missed that. I am glad you are not opposed to children having the opportunity to decide such things for themselves.|
But I also, in re-reading, your last post, you seem to be under the impression that people believe because of what their parents believed. Nothing could be further from the truth. I come from a family of six children. Each one of us came to Christ at different stages of our life, none of us at a tender young impressionable age. Our parents were good people, but church was not a part of their lives. Interestingly, both parents also came to Christ, and I believe it was because of the change they saw in my older sister, who accepted Christ at around age 25.
People are not born into Christianity. Sure, if parents raise their children according to God's plan for the family, they get a steady diet of the Bible, Christian fellowship, and hearing the Word preached. But in my very long lifetime, I have witnessed perhaps thousand, (many of them long before I gave up doing things my way and decided to turn over the reins to Christ) walk down the isle in surrender as adults.
No, you can't inherit Christianity. Each of us has to make that very personal decision. I'm not a Christian by accident of birthplace or parentage.
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