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jimenicholls2
Tuesday, December 18, 2012: 2:35 pm
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The answer to your question is NO.
Your stats are suspect. They are from the Violence Policy Center, a known front group for the Joyce Foundation. As you might, or might not know, the Joyce Foundation is a multi-billion dollar tax exempt anti-second amendment Soros funded operation. Guess who was a big player in the Joyce Foundation serving as their Executive Director from 1994-2002? Barrack Hussein Obama. That is where he gleaned his immense �executive experience�.

Regardless, the answer is still NO. You cannot legislate stupidity, morality or sanity. The 2nd amendment is very clear. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Guns and cars/vehicles are two very different inanimate objects or tools. I guess sometimes a person may use a vehicle to protect themselves from harm or death; but the gun is the only tool that can equalize force for the infirm, elderly or frail against the threat of evil. It is the only thing that can adequately resist the stronger man, or men that are trying to rape a woman. It is the only tool that can adequately equalize the force of one innocent man against many evil men trying to kill or harm him and his family. This evil is real, as we have seen once again. If anyone of those brave, hero female teachers would have had a locked hand gun in their classroom, along with the appropriate training, to confront the evil, they would have saved lives, no doubt.
Israel does this, and very well. No school shootings in Israel.
How many of the vehicle deaths in Indiana were caused by impairment due to alcohol, illegal drugs or legal psychotropic selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) type drugs? Adam Lanza was almost certainly medicated with a SSRI. The research is overwhelming that these drugs cause psychotic breaks, loss of inhibitions to violence, suicide, etc�
The stories of the mothers that drown their kids, cut them up, drive them into a pond, etc�are always on SSRI.
An honest policeman will tell you that the rise in SSRI impaired drivers and accidents are increasing at an alarming rate.
THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT!

nobodyimportant
Wednesday, December 19, 2012: 7:59 am
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It seems to me that the right to bear arms and the provision for a well regulated militia are two separate issues. What has developed as the National Guard seems to me to satisfy the militia issue. The citizen splinter militias of the last several decades are anything but well regulated.

Then, the issue becomes the right to bear arms. I think that is open for definition of what kinds/types of arms.

jimenicholls2
Wednesday, December 19, 2012: 8:35 am
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Nobody...when someone in this "anonymous" format makes statements like you just made, I don't know if they are just trying to get a rise out of people by intentionally being historically inaccurate...or if they are really that ignorant of history.
You have to do some significant reading of pre and post 1776 history...mostly pre-1776, to understand that what you said is factually incorrect.
You must also read the source of absolute truth, The Bible, to get the background on our GOD given right to self-defense. The Bible is actually quite clear on this subject, even though biblical feminists and others involved in mis-interpretations of the Bible try to obfuscate the issue.
The framers and founders understanding of God's law and His natural law is where they got the ideas that they put into the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Where else do you think they received their inspiration?
Only the tyrant or control freak or corrupt politician would even entertain the idea of delving into defining what "arms" means. Why else? Because of "control" over others, there is no other reason.
What "arms" meant in 1776 is exactly what it should mean today...any and all readily available weapons. In 1776 it was the long rifle, pistol, musket, sword, even cannon. When Revere made his ride, he was warning others that the British were coming for their weapons, some of which were cannons, that they had buried and cached in various places, ready to deploy in defense of their freedom, property, lives from tyrants.
In short, the 2nd amendment ensures civilian (which is the militia) access to the same weapons the military/gov't has, precisely because the point of the 2nd amendment is to ensure we can protect ourselves, first from tyranical gov't, then from other forms of crime, harm, oppression, etc...
A country where only the military/gov't/police have weapons is going to be a very, very scary place for you kids and grandkids...that is if you know anything about history.

jimenicholls2
Wednesday, December 19, 2012: 12:19 pm
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the truth...
At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. It is important to note the following lists cases where the information about the shooters psychiatric drug use was made public. To give an example, although it is known that James Holmes, suspected perpetrator of the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, was seeing psychiatrist Lynne Fenton, there has been no mention of what psychiatric drugs he may have been taking�though it is highly probably he was taking psychiatric drugs considering he was under a psychiatrist�s �care�. Also note that all these mass shootings didn�t just occur in the United States.

Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (5 of them) or psychologist (2 of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.

1. Huntsville, Alabama � February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and �other drugs for the conditions.� He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.

2. Kauhajoki, Finland � September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.

3. Dekalb, Illinois � February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.

4. Jokela, Finland � November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.

5. Cleveland, Ohio � October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

6. Red Lake, Minnesota � March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.

7. Greenbush, New York � February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking �medication for depression�. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.

8. Wahluke, Washington � April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9. El Cajon, California � March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania � March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

11. Conyers, Georgia � May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.

12. Columbine, Colorado � April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold�s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.

13. Notus, Idaho � April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14. Springfield, Oregon � May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending �anger control classes� and was under the care of a psychologist.

10 additional recent murders and murder-suicides, resulting in 47 dead and 21 wounded:

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania � March 8, 2012: 30-year-old John Shick, former patient of University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) and former student at nearby Duquesne University, shot and killed one and injured six inside UPMC�s Western Psychiatrist Institute. Nine antidepressants were identified among the drugs police found in Shick�s apartment.
Seal Beach, California � October 12, 2011: Scott DeKraai, a harbor tugboat worker, entered the hair salon where his ex-wife worked, killing her and seven others and injuring one. At DeKraai�s initial hearing, his attorney indicated to the judge that DeKraai was prescribed the antidepressant Trazodone and the �mood stabilizer� Topamax.
Lakeland, Florida � May 3, 2009: Toxicology test results showed that 34-year-old Troy Bellar was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for �bi-polar disorder,� when he shot and killed his wife and two of his three children in their home before killing himself.
Granberry Crossing, Alabama � April 26, 2009: 53-year-old Fred B. Davis shot and killed a police officer and wounded a sheriff�s deputy who had responded to a call that Davis had threatened a neighbor with a gun. Prescription drug bottles found at the scene showed that Davis was prescribed the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
Middletown, Maryland � April 17, 2009: Christopher Wood shot and killed his wife, three small children and himself inside their home. Toxicology test results verified that Wood had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
Concord, California � January 11, 2009: Jason Montes, 33, shot and killed his wife and then himself at home. Montes had earlier begun taking the antidepressant Prozac for depression related to his impending divorce and a recent bankruptcy.
Little Rock, Arkansas � August 14, 2008: Less than 48 hours after Timothy Johnson shot and killed Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the Little Rock Police declared they were investigating shooter�s use of the antidepressant Effexor, which was found in Johnson�s house. A Little Rock city police report later stated that Johnson �was on an anti-depressant and that the drug may have played a part in his �irrational and violent behavior.��
Omaha, Nebraska � December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the �anti-anxiety� drug Valium.
North Meridian, Florida � July 8, 2003: Doug Williams killed five and wounded nine of his fellow Lockheed Martin employees before killing himself. Williams was reported as having been taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa, for depression after a failed marriage.
Wakefield, Massachusetts � December 26, 2000: 42-year-old computer technician Michael McDermott had been taking three antidepressants when he hunted down employees in the accounting and human resources offices where he worked, killing seven.

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